I'm so lost on this turn w/ QQ in 3-betted pot

Laetus · #1 09-01-2007, 11:34 AM

I just sat down at the table and villain is unknown to me.

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Flop: I'm going to bet/call.

Turn: I was going to check/call and probably check/call most river. Thoughts on that? I'm not very sure I like it. Maybe it's better to just bet and hope he pay of w/ JJ/TT?

River: Check/fold seems good... not much to do?
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EverestPoker Game #2017890839: Table Bamako-6 - $2.00/$4.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:11:14 - 2007/09/01
Seat 1: sascha1507 ($386.60)
Seat 2: alpentier ($396.00)
Seat 3: HERO ($400.00)
Seat 4: IvoV ($106.75)
Seat 5: AlfmitGeld ($368.00)
Seat 6: IBRA-8 ($444.00)
alpentier posts the small blind of $2.00
HERO posts the big blind of $4.00
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO[Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
IvoV folds
AlfmitGeld folds
IBRA-8 folds
sascha1507 raises to $14.00
alpentier folds
HERO raises to $48.00
sascha1507 calls $34.00
*** FLOP *** [9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
HERO bets $70.00
sascha1507 calls $70.00
*** TURN *** [9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
HERO checks
sascha1507 checks
*** RIVER *** [9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
HERO checks
sascha1507 bets $268.60 and is all-in
HERO folds

Unknown Soldier · #2 09-01-2007, 11:40 AM

the turn doesnt change much unless he calls really light pf. I think betting the turn is good. As played, river c/f is fine.

tozzy · #3 09-01-2007, 11:45 AM

overbetshove turn imo, gets called so light.

Laetus · #4 09-01-2007, 11:47 AM

Nah, I know the turn doesn't change much and I should probably just stick it in on turn.

Gah, I run horrible ATM... mhe I loose my confidence in my play when that happens.

Josh. · #5 09-01-2007, 11:48 AM

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overbetshove turn imo, gets called so light.

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i was kind of thinking bet too at first, but JJ and TT are literally the only 2 worse hands that beat ace-high. i like a check to let him shove with 77 or QJ or something. and i think the same logic applies for why river c/f is good

Bullzeye · #6 09-01-2007, 11:49 AM

Well, yeah it definatly obvious she had you on turn but there is a way that you could have prevented it. There is very little chance that she had 8 or 9. (Could you really see her raising and calling preflop with anything that had an 8 or a 9?????)
A common mistake about a lot of poker players is that they do not protect their hand. They either slow play it or just try to check it down. Well, that action possibly allows your oponent an oppurtunity to catch a better hand(river).

Basically, you should have bet the turn. Someone might say that sascha1507 would still have called the turn bet, but you should have at least tried.

A little misplayed, but correct on folding on river.

tozzy · #7 09-01-2007, 11:50 AM

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overbetshove turn imo, gets called so light.

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i was kind of thinking bet too at first, but JJ and TT are literally the only 2 worse hands that beat ace-high. i like a check to let him shove with 77 or QJ or something. and i think the same logic applies for why river c/f is good

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ive seen calldowns with AK here. as for the river: i think JJ/TT shove way more often than AK/AQ.

Josh. · #8 09-01-2007, 11:51 AM

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Well, yeah it definatly obvious she had you on turn but there is a way that you could have prevented it. There is very little chance that she had 8 or 9. (Could you really see her raising and calling preflop with anything that had an 8 or a 9?????)
A common mistake about a lot of poker players is that they do not protect their hand. They either slow play it or just try to check it down. Well, that action possibly allows your oponent an oppurtunity to catch a better hand(river).

Basically, you should have bet the turn. Someone might say that sascha1507 would still have called the turn bet, but you should have at least tried.

A little misplayed, but correct on folding on river.

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A+

tozzy · #9 09-01-2007, 11:51 AM

lol i was thinking the same

Josh. · #10 09-01-2007, 11:54 AM

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overbetshove turn imo, gets called so light.

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i was kind of thinking bet too at first, but JJ and TT are literally the only 2 worse hands that beat ace-high. i like a check to let him shove with 77 or QJ or something. and i think the same logic applies for why river c/f is good

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ive seen calldowns with AK here. as for the river: i think JJ/TT shove way more often than AK/AQ.

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it's a lot to assume about an unknown with whom we have no history that he'll call off 70 bb with A high, and bluff the river with JJ