5.5 deep tourney TT facing a big bet oop

[sharkscopeaholic]

still a while from itm do you raise all in, call, or fold here? or rasie another amount?

converter is not working for tourneis for me, dont know why?

Full Tilt Poker Game #4359650912: Double Stack $5 + $0.50 (32977275), Table 61 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:50:20 ET - 2007/12/01
Seat 1: floppeyone (5,090)
Seat 2: douglazy (3,010)
Seat 3: seeton22 (4,210)
Seat 4: Markkram (3,865)
Seat 5: gorkon67 (1,830)
Seat 6: el pajero (13,060)
Seat 7: cable8guy (4,040)
Seat 8: Grabeezy (14,225)
Seat 9: excessive_boost (5,880)
excessive_boost posts the small blind of 80
floppeyone posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to floppeyone [Th Td]

douglazy raises to 560
everyone folds
floppeyone ?

[black666]

Folding is out of the question. Calling is meh because half the deck scares you. Raising is kind of strange because you are committed anyway against a villain with a 19xBB stack.

That leaves us with a shove.

[hamnegger]

raising allin w 10's against utg raiser? id call bet out strong on low board fold on hi board. hes only made a standard raise we arent that short at all. but i like to make flop decisions if you are not confident in that area shoving is best you have him well covered.

[black666]

You can't be serious!?

You do know that 60-70% of the time there will be face card on the flop? That's the exact reason why re-rerasing PF is the way to go .. you can't call PF and fold on 70% of the flops with stacks that shallow.

And why wouldn't you give villain a chance to c-bet in the event of all low cards on the flop? You don't get JJ+ to fold anyway but you get every other hand to put at least another bet in.

[kenny7]

I call and play poker.Dunno why you'd shove here w the stacks the way they are.

[black666]

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I call and play poker.Dunno why you'd shove here w the stacks the way they are.

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Hero calls. Flop comes Kxx rainbow. Hero checks, villain c-bets t800. Pot is now at t2000 and villain has t1700 left. Hero...?

This is what happens 60-70% of the time. Even if villain only has 99 or 2 unpaired high cards.

There is NO poker to be played postflop. Hero is going to hate almost every flop, villain always c-bets and after that our fold equity is zero.

If stacks were deeper, this would be a call .. but not against a 18xBB stack.

[hamnegger]

if the flop comes w an ace im out . if flop comes w 2 hi cards im out if flop comes w 1 hi card i play it as best hand. i lead i don't check. any c-bet pot committs him to seeing 5 cards.

[sharkscopeaholic]

I figured he had a hand like 88-QQ, AK, AQ, but most likely 88-QQ since he bet so big. I pushed to avoid any tough decision and he had AK. TT>AK.

From his perspective (if you were villian) how much do you raise preflop? I've started raising 2.5bb with hands like this (AK, AQ, 99-jj) and have done better than jacking up the pot since a cbet wont commit me when someone comes over the top and the flop isnt great.

[kenny7]

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if the flop comes w an ace im out . if flop comes w 2 hi cards im out if flop comes w 1 hi card i play it as best hand. i lead i don't check. any c-bet pot committs him to seeing 5 cards.

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