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Old 11-20-2007, 12:29 AM
Adebisi Adebisi is offline
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I see what you're getting at about the world around us becoming a worse place if loansharking and the like go completely unchecked, but I think, to a degree, that's already the case in many places. There are different norms of conduct in different places. Atlantic City is a pretty bad place. Wander into the wrong neighborhood late at night, you might get your throat cut over your watch and wallet. The same thing goes for L.A., Vegas, Detroit, and many other cities. Crime tends to graviate toward certain areas, both geographic and otherwise. Poverty-stricken cities and gambling are two areas that are very attractive of crime. When I say that people can avoid the effects of this type of crime by avoiding getting involved, I don't mean just not getting involved with loansharks, I mean steering clear of shady cities and gambling. No matter what the loansharks do, no matter how prevalent crime becomes in A.C., or Vegas, or L.A., it will barely have any impact on a guy who lives his life on the straight and narrow in a nice quiet suburb in Idaho.

I am definately a libertarian, and people on the wrong side of the law aren't the "criminals" I'm most concerned about. A bureaucrat wearing a cheap suit armed with a bunch of paperwork is far more likely to have a negative impact on my life than a meathead wearing a leather jacket and a pinky ring armed with a baseball bat.

The world is already a very f'd up place. Always has been, probably always will be. That's just human nature, pure and simple. I'm not going to worry more about certain people, just because the law places them in a certain category. I'm sure cops kick down a hell of a lot more doors than home invaders. And with the home invaders, I at least have a decent chance of winning in a shootout.
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:38 AM
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you are wrong and muddling the facts and your perceptions and experences. do you know the people involved?

i assume you don't, there are some serious to semi-serious oc people linked with this case. the person in question is not one of them he is not dangerous and my impression has always been he laoned to players he knew who acautlly wanted the money, and didn't really sweat the interest too much. regaurdless what you are talking about does happen, people also get hit by cars, and fall off buildings, but that is not relevant to this specific situtaion. stop making inncorrect and sweeping judgements.

fianlly you think having your credit and finicial situtaion completely destroyed by a cc company is much better than getting smacked around? [censored] it they can have my finger i want to keep my credit.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:51 AM
Jimmy The Fish Jimmy The Fish is offline
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oddly I used to live across the street from the Sly Foxx in NY, Unger's father's bar. 9th street and 2nd avenue. Small world eh? that place was a dive.

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TT.... Rosey Grier has nothing on you.

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well for starters he was Pam Grier's cousin... I can only wish I was related to the original foxy momma.

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TT,

As someone with quite a bit of hillbilly in my background, I find your last comment somewhat disturbing. Hopefully I'm just projecting.

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I wouldn't want to be related to her, but I wouldn't mind being related to her kids. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Old 11-20-2007, 03:07 AM
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oddly I used to live across the street from the Sly Foxx in NY, Unger's father's bar. 9th street and 2nd avenue. Small world eh? that place was a dive.

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TT.... Rosey Grier has nothing on you.

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well for starters he was Pam Grier's cousin... I can only wish I was related to the original foxy momma.

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TT,

As someone with quite a bit of hillbilly in my background, I find your last comment somewhat disturbing. Hopefully I'm just projecting.

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thats a real good way to get some time off in this forum. Even back-door bigotry isn't tolerated in the B&M forum, we want people to behave and interact with each other just like they would in a real cardroom. We will let it slide this time because its really close to the edge. I suggest you keep that hillbilly to yourself while playing poker and visiting 2+2.
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:48 AM
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People that think loansharks are cuddly little teddybears trying to make an honest wage better get away from home a little more often. I've personally witnessed one beating and the aftermath of another.
BTW, one of the clowns in the Borgata bust lost 50K at a blackjack table and grabbed the dealer by the shirt and threatened his family. Whoever sticks up for these lowlifes must not have very high values.

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This says it all, the Borgata will be much better off without them.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:04 AM
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No, you didn't get the message. I said one of the clowns arrested threatened a dealers life because he lost 50K at their blackjack table. I'm sure if you owed him shy money and were slow to pay though, he would just say, "Take your time. No problem."
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:08 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/nyregion/15bust.html

"In all, 5 people were arrested on Wednesday and 18 were issued summonses, on charges of promoting gambling, money laundering and criminal usury. Investigators said they found more than $40,000 in Borgata chips and cash in Mr. Micali’s safe deposit box at the casino, and that they seized gambling records, a laptop computer and a loaded .357-caliber semiautomatic handgun at his home."
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:15 AM
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That looks more like an inbreeding kind of joke than anything racist. You did say you wouldn't mind being related to her.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:20 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/nyregion/15bust.html

"In all, 5 people were arrested on Wednesday and 18 were issued summonses, on charges of promoting gambling, money laundering and criminal usury. Investigators said they found more than $40,000 in Borgata chips and cash in Mr. Micali’s safe deposit box at the casino, and that they seized gambling records, a laptop computer and a loaded .357-caliber semiautomatic handgun at his home."

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Either he owns a Desert Eagle (or two less common .357 semi-auto handguns) or this is yet another piece of misinformation.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:01 PM
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No, you didn't get the message. I said one of the clowns arrested threatened a dealers life because he lost 50K at their blackjack table. I'm sure if you owed him shy money and were slow to pay though, he would just say, "Take your time. No problem."

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"BTW, one of the clowns in the Borgata bust lost 50K at a blackjack table and grabbed the dealer by the shirt and threatened his family."

this is an unrelated incident and is surprisingly common that it happens a few time a week in the biggest casinos. In fact it happens hourly at Commerce - its considered a part of the culture there - right or wrong its standard behavior. It doesn't make it right of course, but security obviously made a decision that there was no risk. The dealer was never hurt and neither was his family. Its just an irate player who lost 50k blowing off steam in the wrong way. This is in no way evidence that he was a violent person, it probably wouldn't even be admitted into court because he wasn't banned from the casino; it would backfire in the prosecution's face if it was brought up in the trial as evidence.
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