5/10 1010 vs an "obvious" squeeze?

[Jay Riall]

It's a pretty huge raise preflop, I doubt you get many callers from the guys in the middle even if we call in front of them.

[Overfloater]

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folding when he shoves AK would be a disaster though, and I would say he will shove AK 100% of the time

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not as big a disaster as calling when he has jj/qq/kk/aa

[emil3000]

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folding when he shoves AK would be a disaster though, and I would say he will shove AK 100% of the time

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not as big a disaster as calling when he has jj/qq/kk/aa

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Instinctively I think this is wrong given pot odds after a 4bet.

[emil3000]

Erm, my point is, I am not 4betting to fold to a shove, if I do it I probably shove myself.

[schwza]

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folding when he shoves AK would be a disaster though, and I would say he will shove AK 100% of the time

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not as big a disaster as calling when he has jj/qq/kk/aa

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say you 4bet to 475, then it's another 950 to you. you'll win a total of 105+1425*2 = 2955. so you need pot equity of 950/2955 = .32. against AA you're about .18 (so -.14 compared to what you need) and against AK you're about .53 (+.21). so it's decent amount worse to fold against AK than to call against AA.

if you weight it to say he can have 24 combos of JJ+ and 16 combos of AK then it works out to be exactly even between call/fold (because it's like 2 combos of +.21 and 3 combos of -.14).

then the question is how often he's 5betting vs folding vs calling those hands.

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folding when he shoves AK would be a disaster though, and I would say he will shove AK 100% of the time

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not as big a disaster as calling when he has jj/qq/kk/aa

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Instinctively I think this is wrong given pot odds after a 4bet.

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[SuperPokerJedi]

I'm all-in

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[LAURA74]

You are a big fish moving in on me, we are too deep. Even the bot get a hand sometimes.

[RiverHebrew2]

I'd say shove and fold out half of his range and it be +EV with all this dead $ and FE or fold preflop. I'd flip a coin on this decision, leaning towards fold, but his stats r pretty LAGGY.

[RiverHebrew2]

WOW Wait I didn't notice stack sizes for my first post... shoving is spew here if he has >100BB IMO. I would say that you should call with position, call low flops and fold to later aggression unless u spike T. Try to keep pot small because you have position, but I'd say its best to call and play postflop with these stacks. Results?