IS this really THAT bad of a call?

[ChronoDeath]

Basically, my kings cracked aces.

Yakshi: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChronoDeath [Ks Kc]
Pally.eu: calls $0.10
energy_585: folds
ChronoDeath: raises $0.30 to $0.40
robinwhy: folds
THOR669: calls $0.40
garrymdp: folds
mo_pe87: folds
Yakshi: folds
Pally.eu: raises $9.60 to $10 and is all-in
ChronoDeath: calls $9 and is all-in
THOR669: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 9h 4h]
BoRogan has returned
*** TURN *** [2d 9h 4h] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [2d 9h 4h 7d] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pally.eu: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
ChronoDeath: shows [Ks Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
ChronoDeath collected $18.40 from pot
Yakshi said, "so bad"
Pally.eu said, "vnh!"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.35 | Rake $0.95
Board [2d 9h 4h 7d Kd]
Seat 1: THOR669 folded before Flop
Seat 2: garrymdp (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mo_pe87 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Yakshi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Pally.eu showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: energy_585 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ChronoDeath showed [Ks Kc] and won ($18.40) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 9: robinwhy folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Then i get flamed for making a retarded call.


ChronoDeath: sick sorry
Yakshi: who calls with kings there unbelievable
Pally.eu: kings wins they say
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Dealer: Game #12152423014: mo_pe87 wins pot ($1.05)
Yakshi: not for 100 BBs, 25x the first raise they dont
Yakshi: nh pally
ChronoDeath: are you saying NO ONE would call with kings?
ChronoDeath: besides me of course
THOR669: i would call sometimes
Yakshi: only someone who doesnt care he's up against AA
Dealer: energy_585 has a pair of Fours
Dealer: BoRogan has a pair of Fours - Ace kicker
Dealer: Game #12152440987: BoRogan wins pot ($0.25) with a pair of Fours
THOR669: right
Yakshi: as in, i knew he had aces but i dont know how to fold kings
ChronoDeath: honestly i thought it was a bluff
Yakshi: oh
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Yakshi: well good luck!
Dealer: Game #12152459125: THOR669 wins pot ($0.95)
ChronoDeath: i guess im an idiot for thinking that but whatever it is ten buckls
Dealer: Game #12152474871: robinwhy wins pot ($0.50)


So in cash games this is an auto laydown? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

why would i assume he has aces when he raises so much wouldnt a guy in 10 nl usually make a bet of like $1.20 or something with aces?

[gregorio]

You played the hand fine. Nothing wrong with that call. It sure looks like a bluff. Villain played like a donk.

[deacsoft]

Use the Hand Converter.

[thesilkworm]

Your call is completely standard - folding would be really bad.

[KurtSF]

That's a great call.

Unless you know something more about the player that you didn't put in the post, like you have played 2000 hands against this player and never seen him raise before. There can be extenuating circumstances. But against an unknown player at this level, folding would have been the mistake.

NH.

[Quicksilvre]

Good call. At that level villain could have easily had something like AK or QQ.

[thrasher789]

Definately a fine call, the donk was just upset his aces got cracked

[pzhon]

It's a good call. He was just venting because of his bad luck. Don't expect to hear accurate poker advice at the table.

A limp-reraise is supposed to represent a lot of strength because it is very dangerous to do it if you don't have a strong hand. However, many NL $10 players don't know that, and don't know what a strong hand is. So, you'll see people limp-reraise with 33 or KQ.

It takes effort to find a correct fold with KK preflop. At lower levels, players tend to overvalue hands like JJ and AK. At higher levels, players are a lot more aggressive, and raise and reraise with weaker hands, so people correctly value JJ and AK highly enough to push. In my opinion, there are many times to fold KK preflop with 100 BB stacks at NL $50 and NL $100, usually starting with a raise from early position in a full ring game, but not many at higher or lower stakes or when there is a raise in late position. Some people disagree vehemently, and will never fold KK preflop. I think that is a mistake, but not a very costly one as long as the stacks are not too deep.

[ChronoDeath]

Thanks everyone.Deacsoft, i will use the converter from now on. Anyway, Im glad you all told me this because i am unconfident in my cash game since i started out by playing tournys and realized that cash games are way different. You def have to play tighter and think more. villian WAS playing somewhat tight but i had only played~20 hands. Brag I finished the day up 30 bucks.

[RyverRat]

You played the hand standard. Easy call. perfect time to extract some more tilt induced cash from villain and possibly the trash talker.

Keep notes on the people you play against. You got some information about how villain plays AA and made money out of it.