************Low Content May Thread***************

[Troll_Inc]

Cleaning out my PM inbox and putting them here so they get archived since they are deleting all PM's (allegedly)... (I should have saved the outgoing PM's since I'm sure most of them were amusingly retarted.)

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march 2006 from beset
"PT stands for poker tracker. In poker tracker, because the program was developed for limit games, when it gives a WR it gives it as 2xBB even for big-bet games. The 100 means per 100 hands. So, e.g., if I said I had a 10ptb/100 win rate playing 100 PLO, that means I am winning "

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Name withheld - April 2006
"I just started back up on party poker. It took me only a week to get up to $900. The games at party are soft and people like to gamble(including me). As you move up in stakes though the players are much better. Once you get enough of a roll try the .25-.50 or .50-1 game. "

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Name withheld, May 2006
"In order to get a reasonable estimation of winrate, you need a lot of hands, like 50k - 100k. If your winrate, is greater than 10BB/100 after 10k hands and your Standard deviation is around 50, it means that you are probably a winning player.

There are numerous bankroll/winrate calculators on the web that you can plug numbers into.

I personally play a much tighter pre-flop game, but there are many styles to the game. I urge you to figure out what is best for you. My VPIP is in the low 20s and I raise about 5% of my hands, i.e. 1/4 of those that I play.

To me, a lot of what makes one style of play better than another is just the way the rest of the table is playing.

One PT stat/page that I think is very telling about my play are the position stats. I play super tight up front, playing 10% or fewer of my hands and much looser with position, playing 30%+ of my hands.

I am mostly a recreational player and play most of my Omaha at the 25, 50 and 100 levels, depending on my mood. So, if you ever want to talk strategy let me know."

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Guess this one, April 2006
"I saw you in a few of those as well. I hardly ever play tourneys but I put some money into stars last week to qualify for the WSOP (success!) and basically any time I was playing and didn't have enough tables open I would add whatever the next mid buyin NL or PLO tourney was. So I've only played a few PLO tourneys, don't think I've cashed in any.

I rarely think of tournament strategy in the larger sense, I let each hand play itself. Of course the hands are not played in a vacuum and sometimes, for example, you will realise that such and such a player doesn't want to play a big pot now or that someone else has tightened up or that someone else is opening the pot every time it is folded to him. These can happen in a cash game too but more often in a tourney because of people badly adjusting/over adjusting to being in a tourney. And you adapt to these factors the same way you would in a cash game.

The other difference in a tournament is stacks are smaller so I tend to play a lot tighter preflop. Hands like ragged KKxx go way up in value.

Also the play from what I have seen is worse than I would expect in cash games at a similar buyin, I expect a lot of the players are NL "specialists" (not necessarily good at that either) and new to Omaha. But you can adjust to this automatically.

Hope this helps - I have a tendency to write long and rambling messages but words are cheap I figure if only one point strikes you as useful it is worthwhile.

If you have some tournament hands I would say put them up in the PLO forum, you will get better advice than in MTT. "


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From Mike Haven:

Do you want a Title?

I was thinking of "Troll GM" or something like it.

*****

Your Title is immediately below your name.

I've changed yours.

Are you happy with it?


*****

yw

please don't troll now

[wazz]

'Why you want your hands working in two ways'

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $10/$10
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $1.833.05
Button: $2.095.50
SB: $2.061.50
BB: $1.002

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $40</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($130, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $100</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $430</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $101.32</font>, SB calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($332.64, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $601.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $373.05</font>.
Uncalled bets: $228.45 returned to SB.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1078.74, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1078.74)


Results:
Final pot: $1078.74
SB shows JC 10D 9D AS
Hero shows KS JS 10C 3C

[jbird]

[ QUOTE ]
Hero raises to $101.32,

[/ QUOTE ]

huh?

[wazz]

Uh.... all the numbers have come out really weirdly on that. I can't be bothered to manually fix it, so have the raw HH.

Omaha Hi $10-$10 PL (Real Money), #292,405,133
Table Galway, 7 May 2007 11:35 AM ET

Seat 1: Kosowski ($2,095.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Tirzau ($2,061.50 in chips)
Seat 3: NEBUKANEZARR ($1,002 in chips)
Seat 8: wazzbot ($1,833.05 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
Tirzau posts blind ($10), NEBUKANEZARR posts blind ($10).

PRE-FLOP
wazzbot bets $40, Kosowski calls $40, Tirzau calls $30, NEBUKANEZARR folds.

FLOP [board cards KC,3S,QH ]
Tirzau checks, wazzbot bets $100, Kosowski folds, Tirzau bets $430, wazzbot bets $1,320, Tirzau calls $990.

TURN [board cards KC,3S,QH,JD ]
Tirzau bets $601.50 and is all-in, wazzbot calls $373.05 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards KC,3S,QH,JD,KH ]

SHOWDOWN
Tirzau shows [ JC,10D,9D,AS ]
wazzbot shows [ KS,JS,10C,3C ]
Tirzau wins $228.45, wazzbot wins $3,714.10

[JackInDaCrak]

wazz you're running SFGOOD these days.

[iggymcfly]

Folded middle set on Bodog today for the first time in months. No huge read or anything, but it was a QT4 rainbow board, I led into an unraised pot got a call and a pot-sized raise from someone who had me covered for a 1.25 BI or so and just decided to let it go.

Not that it's all that noteworthy, but this is the low content thread and I felt like posting about it somewhere. Of course, looking at that hand that wazz posted makes me feel a little less good about the laydown.

[Troll_Inc]

[ QUOTE ]
Folded middle set on Bodog today for the first time in months. No huge read or anything, but it was a QT4 rainbow board, I led into an unraised pot got a call and a pot-sized raise from someone who had me covered for a 1.25 BI or so and just decided to let it go.


[/ QUOTE ]

That was me and I had 4432 ds.

[iggymcfly]

Actually, looking back, it didn't look real likely that you'd limp the button with QQxx. If I put more thought into the hand, I probably wouldn't have folded, but I was multi-tabling and browsing 2+2 and my mind was kind of on auto-pilot.

[DonCologne]

Name Troll_inc, May 2007
"You don't want to use PokerTracker, because it spys on you and then other people (Gold PT members) can see you're hole cards if they are at the same table. "

[cmyr]

Troll is lying.


The biggest leak in my game right now is not making laydowns. When I look back at playing like the .5-1 PLO on party and how mid set used to be a pretty quick muck, and TTP was a c/f in MP, it's basically an alien game compared to now, when making calls on paired boards w/ AK is vaguely standard. That said, I'm having alot of trouble picking my spots, and it's costing my large monies.