25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers

thenewnoise · #1 07-20-2007, 02:05 AM

This is maybe my 3rd hand at the table no reads.

If someone has AA or KK they are going to 4 bet don't you think?

Is the preflop raise to 6 good here?

How is the flop push? Am I over palying QQ here?

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UTG ($17.75)
MP ($21.35)
Hero ($25)
SB ($90.60)
BB ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.5, MP raises to $1.85, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $5.50, MP calls $4.15.

Flop: ($18.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $15.35 (All-In), Hero raises to $19 (All-In), UTG calls $11.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($60.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($60.80) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $60.80
Main Pot: $53.60, between UTG, MP and Hero.
Pot 2: $7.20, between MP and Hero.
Pot 3: $3.65, returned to Hero.

Capone · #2 07-20-2007, 02:10 AM

looks fine.

bored · #3 07-20-2007, 02:15 AM

I don't like this hand. I don't like 4 betting QQ; and I wouldn't do it vs a UTG raiser and a MP reraiser esp w/o reads. I'd call the RR and if UTG came over the top, I'd probably fold.

People often do not 5bet AI w/ AA/KK pf. Sometimes KK waits until there is no A on the flop; sometimes they wait for an undercard flop and CRAI. And sometimes they do shove AI pf.

EDIT: I looked at the hand again and I don't hate it as much now. Neither villain has a full buyin and UTG minraised. After they both call and undercards flop; you are pretty much committed to going with the hand. Nevertheless, in general I stick to my comments.

cubase · #4 07-20-2007, 02:22 AM

Tricky spot I think, but I like it. Just calling could get you in trouble if UTG re-raises. With the re-raise and the two cold calls, this looks like AK, AQs, JJ, QQ and maybe TT if the player(s) are weak. I'm not really ever worried about AA/KK here readless, and with your raise price, if they hit a set on the flop, well, you know you did your work pre-flop.

As long as you are willing to fold to another raise from either player pre-flop, I think this raise is OK from time to time in this specific situation. Cold calling in this situation pretty much turns your hand face up, IMO, to a thinking opponent; that being said, I wouldn't get into the habit of 4-betting QQ.

As played I have no prob re-raising all in. I think you will see JJ here a lot, as well as AK, with a rare QQ/TT showing. You will still see the ocassional 22/44/55 as well, and maybe some random mid pair depending on the player.

thenewnoise · #5 07-20-2007, 02:28 AM

If someone had come over the top preflop i could have easily gotten away from this. Since neither did and the flop was so low i found it hard to believe that i didn't have the best hand.

T-Bone98 · #6 07-20-2007, 02:28 AM

I think u played this ok.

tarheeljks · #7 07-20-2007, 02:32 AM

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I don't like 4 betting QQ;

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really?

KEW · #8 07-20-2007, 03:18 AM

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I don't like this hand. I don't like 4 betting QQ; and I wouldn't do it vs a UTG raiser and a MP reraiser esp w/o reads. I'd call the RR and if UTG came over the top, I'd probably fold.

People often do not 5bet AI w/ AA/KK pf. Sometimes KK waits until there is no A on the flop; sometimes they wait for an undercard flop and CRAI. And sometimes they do shove AI pf.

EDIT: I looked at the hand again and I don't hate it as much now. Neither villain has a full buyin and UTG minraised. After they both call and undercards flop; you are pretty much committed to going with the hand. Nevertheless, in general I stick to my comments.

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I agree...

Only problem is the UTG's min raise..Usually I do not count a min raise as a raise..But with QQ I would want a read on UTG's min raise and MPs range(LAG or TAG) before 4 betting w/QQ...

Either way ALL the money is going in on an all under flop like this..

Kasane · #9 07-20-2007, 03:19 AM

4bet pre is good usually.

nh, op.

KEW · #10 07-20-2007, 03:22 AM

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I don't like 4 betting QQ;

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really?

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4 betting QQ against 2 unknowns is generally a BIG mistake at these stakes...A normal 4 bet would committ us to call a shove and generally speaking(ie..no reads) the only hands that either call our 4 bet or shove have our QQ crushed..This hand is a little different given that UTG only min raised