Shortstack flop minraises.

matrix · #1 06-09-2007, 02:10 PM

You are in LP and raise 2 broadway cards, shortstack (<50BB) calls from the Blinds and the flop is HU we flop TPGK.

checked to you - we lead for ~pot - shorty min-raises.

How often is this minraise the nuts? Is it worth pushing OTT? or is this very player dependant?

willw9 · #2 06-09-2007, 02:11 PM

This question is way too general to be answered.

keikiwai · #3 06-09-2007, 02:14 PM

it is almost NEVER the nuts

here is the most recent minr from a short stack vs. me:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $229.45
BB: $45.00
UTG: $368.20
keikiwai (CO): $200.00
BTN: $123.05

Preflop: keikiwai is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, keikiwai raises to $8.00, BTN calls $8.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($19) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
keikiwai bets $16.00, BTN raises to $32.00, keikiwai calls $16.00

Turn: ($83) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
keikiwai checks, BTN bets $22.00, keikiwai calls $22.00

River: ($127) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
keikiwai checks, BTN bets all-in for $61.05, keikiwai calls $61.05

Pot Size: $249.10 ($2 Rake)

BTN had T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$123.05)
keikiwai had J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON (+$124.05)

Jay Riall · #4 06-09-2007, 02:18 PM

I pretty much always call or shove if the guy is short enough.

matrix · #5 06-09-2007, 02:21 PM

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OK then.

villain is unknown - assuming av ss donk.

Is this standard?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $59.81
BB: $83.95
UTG: $184.14
MP: $125.85
Hero (CO): $122.70
BTN: $39.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG raises to $2.00, MP folds, Hero calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.00, BTN raises to $10.00, UTG folds, Hero raises to $40.00,

willw9 · #6 06-09-2007, 02:24 PM

Meh I probably just fold flop tbh. If the board was T 8 2 with 2 hearts, I raise(/shove) all day.

Jay Riall · #7 06-09-2007, 02:26 PM

I think that is pretty hurrendous. I would fold or maybe see a turn.

keikiwai · #8 06-09-2007, 02:26 PM

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OK then.

villain is unknown - assuming av ss donk.

Is this standard?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $59.81
BB: $83.95
UTG: $184.14
MP: $125.85
Hero (CO): $122.70
BTN: $39.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG raises to $2.00, MP folds, Hero calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.00, BTN raises to $10.00, UTG folds, Hero raises to $40.00,

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looks good to me, it's probably close, but it gives a good image at the table for sure

mudbuddha · #9 06-09-2007, 02:26 PM

depends on why hes short stacked

bc he was blinding off or was it because he was involved in too many hands

this will help u decide

keikiwai · #10 06-09-2007, 02:29 PM

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bc he was blinding off or was it because he was involved in too many hands

this will help u decide

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i find most short stackers usually buy in short