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#11
10-12-2007, 10:46 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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I think that shoving here is pretty bad. BB has a Q here just about always and you are a 70/30 dog to any Q. I don't think that FE makes up this gap. If you call and a heart comes, he is still calling because he is going to think that he is splitting. Plus you don't get a chance to draw to a royal very often <Joking> SMS [/ QUOTE ] Why do you put BB on a Q here almost always? I really want to know what range you'd put him on that would make villain want to call with Q-x? Is it not realistic he called with A-x and is trying to take the pot away on the turn? The only Q-x hand I could possibly see here is QJ. The price preflop obviously allowed him to call and in turn he flopped the nuts. But with the CO raise and the call from the button you'd have to put one of them on an Ace, which is the case here. I just call here, I like the position and the hand. I can't see what river card would make me fold. Plus if villain indeed has the Q, there's the chance to fill up or make a flush. Then again, I've been known to make a bad read or 2. 
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#12
10-12-2007, 10:49 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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[ QUOTE ] Shoving is retardedededed. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ]
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#13
10-12-2007, 10:50 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
I guess it is more experience than actual hand reading. Donk bets like this are almost alway the Q imo. He could have all type of Qs. AQ, KQ, QT, QJ all would play this way.
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#14
10-12-2007, 10:53 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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The only Q-x hand I could possibly see here is QJ. The price preflop obviously allowed him to call and in turn he flopped the nuts. But with the CO raise and the call from the button you'd have to put one of them on an Ace, which is the case here. [/ QUOTE ] He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either.
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#15
10-12-2007, 10:55 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
When I first read the hand I thought shove and that's prolly what I would have done.
But after reading the other posts I came to the conclusion that calling is definitly better in this spot.
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#16
10-12-2007, 10:59 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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[ QUOTE ] The only Q-x hand I could possibly see here is QJ. The price preflop obviously allowed him to call and in turn he flopped the nuts. But with the CO raise and the call from the button you'd have to put one of them on an Ace, which is the case here. [/ QUOTE ] He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either. [/ QUOTE ] All of this is irrelevant anyways. The only play is to call just based on our hand strength/draw strength and the board.
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#17
10-12-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either. [/ QUOTE ] I can agree with AQ based on his stats but not KQ or QT. Either way OP has to see this river.
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#18
10-12-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The only Q-x hand I could possibly see here is QJ. The price preflop obviously allowed him to call and in turn he flopped the nuts. But with the CO raise and the call from the button you'd have to put one of them on an Ace, which is the case here. [/ QUOTE ] He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either. [/ QUOTE ] All of this is irrelevant anyways. The only play is to call just based on our hand strength/draw strength and the board. [/ QUOTE ] Because it's irrelevanm as for the turn decision doesn't mean it's irrelevant for the hand or a as a discusion though.
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#19
10-12-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The only Q-x hand I could possibly see here is QJ. The price preflop obviously allowed him to call and in turn he flopped the nuts. But with the CO raise and the call from the button you'd have to put one of them on an Ace, which is the case here. [/ QUOTE ] He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either. [/ QUOTE ] All of this is irrelevant anyways. The only play is to call just based on our hand strength/draw strength and the board. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I like to play my cards, and only my cards, and never consider what my opponent may have.
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#20
10-12-2007, 11:17 AM
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Re: Two pair with the worst turn card
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he [ QUOTE ] would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either. [/ QUOTE ] He could easily show up with AQ/KQ here. I think he would play both this way, I think he plays AQ this way close to 100%. I wouldn't be suprised if he has QT either. [/ QUOTE ] All of this is irrelevant anyways. The only play is to call just based on our hand strength/draw strength and the board. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I like to play my cards, and only my cards, and never consider what my opponent may have. [/ QUOTE ] Lol, yeah that's exactly what I was saying. All I meant was whether villain has a queen here 5% of the time or 100% of the time doesn't change our decision because of our hand strangth, draw strength, and the board.
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