The last big fight De La Hoya - Mayweather - Page 37

ThaSaltCracka · #**361** 05-06-2007, 10:53 PM

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I just don't think boxing will be able to maintain any sort of popularity with the common man with a defensive specialist as the best fighter in boxing

[/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Whats really keeping boxing down is the absence of a few big name Heavyweights. EVERYONE loves watching the heavyweights.

Clarkmeister · #**362** 05-06-2007, 10:59 PM

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I just don't think boxing will be able to maintain any sort of popularity with the common man with a defensive specialist as the best fighter in boxing

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That's certainly a big part. The problem is all the heavyweights are playing in the NFL.

bernie · #**363** 05-07-2007, 12:47 AM

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I don't really care about the punch stats. They're nice, but unless things have changed, the judges don't see those stats so it's all up to visual. Even if you miss shots, being active still counts. The judges are also at different sides of the ring so some may see some shots differently than others.

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I'm really sure that professional judges sitting ringside can see tell when one fighter is landing double the shots of the other.

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You might be suprised.

Just look at the inconsistencies in many boxing scorecards. There are plenty of examples where one judge sees a fight much differently than another.

Aggression is also a factor. Not just punches landed.

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bernie · #**364** 05-07-2007, 12:53 AM

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I just don't think boxing will be able to maintain any sort of popularity with the common man with a defensive specialist as the best fighter in boxing

[/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Whats really keeping boxing down is the absence of a few big name Heavyweights. EVERYONE loves watching the heavyweights.

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What's keeping it down is the absence of a few big name anyweights. The mid weights used to draw quite a bit also, not just the heavies.

Not everyone loved watching Tyson/Bonecrusher and the hugger fights. Personally, I like the mids alot better.

I still like boxing better than MMA. But then I also grew up with it so it's much more familiar. But MMA fights can be just as boring as you mentioned earlier.

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bernie · #**365** 05-07-2007, 01:06 AM

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Seeing FM smiling while going into a clinch you just wanted to yell, 'How about throwing a punch some time soon!'

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Because to do that and turn the fight into a slugfest would have favored De la Hoya, and turned the fight away from Mayweather's strengths. Floyd is too smart a fighter to do that

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That was a sarcastic statement.

I thought FM's plan was good. Basically, his plan was to just rope-a-dope him. Obviously no way he could go toe to toe. However, he could've mixed it up a bit more. If he's that fast, he could've gotten in and out. The other thing is, the rope-a-dope isn't quite as effective in shorter fights(12 rounds instead of 15) or lighter weights. You really can't afford to give away that many rounds and expect to win it easily.

But it's a joke when you go around telling everyone you're going to knock him out. Him smiling is like laughing at everyone who paid to see that fight who might expect more than 20 punches thrown in a round by a guy that's not in a heavier weight class. Result? Crowd booing him. Which, regardless of him saying he'll retire, might affect future earnings from the gate.

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bernie · #**366** 05-07-2007, 01:09 AM

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I don't care if he landed over 50 % in a round where he only throws 20 punches compared to 50-60 for the other guy who, though his % is lower, is still landing about the same amount. That's not winning.

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Except DLH wasn't throwing 3x as many punches as PBF and landing the same amount. He was throwing about 30% more and landing half as many.

And while the judges don't have the exact numbers, it wasn't hard to tell that PBF was landing a lot more punches.

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Punches landed aren't the only thing that judges look at during a fight.

Otherwise, the tactic of stealing a round in the last :30 wouldn't be as effective as it is in many fights.

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bernie · #**367** 05-07-2007, 01:16 AM

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i mean, you can lament mayweather's style in this match, but you cannot say that his punches were having no effect. if anything, it was de la hoya that was full of sound and fury that signified nothing.

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I didn't say they had no effect. However, neither looked like they were in a fight afterwards.

I don't mind tactical fights. Growing up watching Leonard fight you see how it's done. However, FM took it a bit too cautious, imo.

He did just enough to win. Big whoop. He almost lost doing it.

He wasn't electrifying. He wasn't exciting. He wasn't as advertised.

When he leaves, boxing isn't really going to miss him.

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drexah · #**368** 05-07-2007, 02:00 AM

1. I thought Mayweather won the fight when it was said and done, when the announcer said "And New..._whatever title_ of the world" I thought it was De La Hoya and was very, very shocked. Then I remembered DLH had a belt and Mayweather won it, but even a split decision shocked me, I thought it was unanimous PBF.

2. With that said, PBF is a huge douche who talks a lot of game, like saying he was going to completely dominate DLH yet was not the aggressor and seemed like he was fighting just to NOT lose. I guess stats do mean something but if they didn't keep showing the thrown/hit %'s every 2 minutes i wouldnt of had a clue it was that lopsided in terms of PBF hitting like twice as many and twice as accurate as DLH.

3. Mayweather > DLH very, very hard in the middle of the ring. DLH > Mayweather up against the ropes/in the corners.

4. Great fight and was really fun to watch it drunk with 19 of my lacrosse buddies who were all really into it too. I really missed the big, hyped boxing matches.

5. Kind of dissapointed there wasn't one REALLY good shot the entire fight, neither fighter seemed to be hurt at any point of the fight, besides DLH appearing pretty tired
towards the later rounds.

ThaSaltCracka · #**369** 05-07-2007, 02:05 AM

Mayweather landed a few real good punches.

The replay is going to be on HBO next weekend.

bernie · #**370** 05-07-2007, 02:10 AM

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when the announcer said "And New..._whatever title_ of the world" I thought it was De La Hoya

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We all forgot it was DLH title too. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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but even a split decision shocked me, I thought it was unanimous PBF.

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I thought the split was about right. Many rounds could've went either way.

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5. Kind of dissapointed there wasn't one REALLY good shot the entire fight, neither fighter seemed to be hurt at any point of the fight, besides DLH appearing pretty tired
towards the later rounds.

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A good, entertaining undercard would've been nice, also. I'm suprised they couldn't get anything better than what they had.

But you also have to agree with what DLH said afterward. If he wasn't the aggressor, there wouldn't have been any fight at all.

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