Big Pot, Bad Turn

Foucault · #1 08-02-2007, 08:36 PM

I was kinda lost here. His hand looks a lot like QT, but can I be sure enough of that to check-fold? If I'm not going to check-fold, am I better off shoving and hoping he pays off with worse or checking and risking another broadway card or letting him off the hook if he's got something like a lower set?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $96
UTG+1: $80
CO: $394.55
Button: $549.50
SB: $108.40
Foucault: $245.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Foucault is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $7, Button calls, SB folds, Foucault raises to $29, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($88, 3 players)
Foucault bets $66, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($220, 2 players)
Foucault has $150.75 left.

banthis! · #2 08-02-2007, 08:59 PM

do you have any reads?
If i was going to call i'd shove now.
i'm assuming you checked and he shoved.

darkcore · #3 08-02-2007, 09:16 PM

ugly spot. this boils down to reads i think.

if he loves to fold: shove.
if he bluffs too much/is too aggro in general: check/call.
or you could just check/fold, but i'd hate this. the pot is so big already.

and if action goes check/check i think it's not that bad for you. if a T/Q hit you can get off easily and if another card hit you can bet smallish which a worse set will call as played. and in case the board pairs anything but the ace: woohooo.

iggymcfly · #4 08-02-2007, 09:21 PM

First off, I don't much like this reraise from the BB. You're not deep enough to get cute OOP with mediocre KK. As played, I'd probably weak lead the turn. You don't want to check and get no money in when you're ahead, but at the same time, you don't want to let him fold JJ or something. Betting $50-$75 is probably your best bet at this point.

Silent A · #5 08-02-2007, 09:27 PM

If you had bet pot for $88 on the flop, then there would have been $264 on the turn and you'd only have $129 left so you'd be getting 3:1 even if villain has QT. You should never turn own opportunities in PLO to have the hand play itself.

Iggy's line is probably the best of your less than wonderful options.

cmyr · #6 08-02-2007, 09:40 PM

I also don't like preflop and don't like not potting the flop. As is I'd 2/3 pot and call, and I'd play the wrap the same way. If he things you have AA he could have called the flop with way more then the full wrap. He'd probably even have put it in with a wrap, so unless he has a pair +QT or something (which he should also have put it in with?) then c/f is awful, and giving a free card is probably pretty bad too.

Silent A · #7 08-02-2007, 09:50 PM

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As is I'd 2/3 pot and call

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LOL. 2/3 pot is $147 and Hero has $150.75.

chucky · #8 08-02-2007, 10:02 PM

If your opponent is aggressive you can check-raise the flop. If you don't check-raise the flop, then full pot it. I hate check folding sets without a very good read that opponent has nuts.

wazz · #9 08-02-2007, 11:08 PM

Just go all-in. Why give yourself a tough decision? Put him to the tough decision. You should be getting floated by much more than QT on this flop so you should be happy to be able to get it all-in on this turn.

Silent A · #10 08-02-2007, 11:11 PM

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Just go all-in. Why give yourself a tough decision? Put him to the tough decision. You should be getting floated by much more than QT on this flop so you should be happy to be able to get it all-in on this turn.

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What tough decision? Villain either has QT (so no tough decision) or not (in which case you don't want to scare him off).