My microstake grind - How can anyone not beat these levels

sooooooted · #1 11-23-2007, 10:34 AM

Well as some of you know Ive been grinding 1c/2c and now upto 2c/5c on PS for a propbet I have going on where I have to play 15k hands and all 3 levels (2NL, 5NL and 10NL) and show a positive figure on all levels, I done the first level showing 16bb/100 over 15k hands and Im 3k hands into 5NL. I figured Id use this post to post HH's, stats and graphs of how Im getting on and to hopefully show people how easy it is if u have patience, you will get paid off.

This has been my best and so far on my long grind:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($4.27)
Button ($4.88)
SB ($1.82)
Hero ($15.86)
UTG ($20.82)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.8, UTG calls $0.60.

Flop: ($1.62) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $15.06, UTG calls $11.56.

Turn: ($31.74) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($31.74) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $31.74

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
UTG has As 8c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $31.74. 

I didnt know what he was thinking, after the re reaise I made on the turn he still called another $10 with just ace high. I have always been getting calls like this but most of the time its by shortstackers and only for a few dollas at a time. This was the big 600 x BB pot I have been waiting for.

So far I am up $128 over 3.2k hands at 5NL, sustainable, probably not but if people keep on calling like this hopefully it will be wuite high. I have been playing all 6 max and usually 24/14/1.5.

Could do with soem work but Im getting there slowly, thanks for reading.

Nsight7 · #2 11-23-2007, 12:49 PM

You would be surprised at how sustainable these winrates are at the limits you are playing. Maybe not quite as high as you have, but definitely high.

JH1 · #3 11-23-2007, 01:50 PM

Yes very sustainable at these levels, I'm doing the same sort of thing although unfortunately not for a prop bet but rather for my blog. Ran at 18ptBB/100 at 2NL and 13ptBB/100 at 5NL over 10,000 hands each.

Even just nut peddling->pushing is SO profitable because they never believe you and call you down with A or even J high so often. Overpairs stack off so easily as well.

Don't have the hand history here but I got 5 bet all in preflop by 77 when I was holding AA at 5NL deepstacked the other day. Unfortunately lost the hand, lol.

EDIT: not a thinly veiled plug, just explaining why I'm back down at 10NL from 25NL.

Nsight7 · #4 11-23-2007, 01:56 PM

I am running about the same as you on my zero-to-hero bankroll, somewhere in the 15-20ptBB/100 range at $2nl (I am not exactly sure because I play and store stats on two computers). On my secondary computer I am actually at 26ptBB/100 over 5000+ hands, but I have many more hands by like 2x's on my primary comp and have run at like 15ptBB/100 there so it all balances.

From my brief observations, it starts getting rocky-ish by micro-stake standards on PS by about $25nl, but if you play well up until that point, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to fillet the fish at those levels once you get there.

JH1 · #5 11-23-2007, 02:10 PM

I've noticed 25NL is the point where people actually start to play "poker," until that point it's about 80% 1st level thinking, 20% 2nd level thinking.

I remember my first attempt at 25NL and thinking ZOMG, people are 3betting without QQ+, WHAT'S GOING ON!

JH1 · #6 11-23-2007, 02:14 PM

Oh, and so as not to hijack this thread, WTG OP. Keep it up and keep the updates coming.

sooooooted · #7 11-24-2007, 02:44 PM

A few hands that made me chuckle today...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (3 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($10.05)
SB ($10.45)
Hero ($15.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, SB raises to $0.3, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.20.

Flop: ($3) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $5.95 (All-In).

Turn: ($20.90) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($20.90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $20.90

Results in white below: 
SB has Kd Th (high card, ace).
Hero has Ac Qh (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $23.95. 

Sorry I couldnt convert this one, FTR wouldnt let me for some reason.

okerStars Game #13440032857: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/11/24 - 13:34:37 (ET)
Table 'Thule IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Napalmduo ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Asicsis ($10.40 in chips)
Seat 3: krishan62 ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 4: J9TECC ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 5: sooooooted ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 6: tricky truc ($12.85 in chips)
Napalmduo: posts small blind $0.05
Asicsis: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sooooooted [Tc Kc]
krishan62: folds
J9TECC: folds
sooooooted: raises $0.30 to $0.40
tricky truc: calls $0.40
Napalmduo: calls $0.35
Asicsis: folds
*** FLOP *** [4c Th 6c]
J9TECC said, "I get beat on those dang draws"
Napalmduo: checks
sooooooted: bets $0.80
tricky truc: calls $0.80
Napalmduo: raises $1.60 to $2.40
sooooooted: raises $22.10 to $24.50 and is all-in
tricky truc: folds
Napalmduo: calls $7 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4c Th 6c] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [4c Th 6c 7s] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Napalmduo: shows [7d 8d] (a pair of Sevens)
sooooooted: shows [Tc Kc] (a pair of Tens)
sooooooted collected $19.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.90 | Rake $1
Board [4c Th 6c 7s Ad]
Seat 1: Napalmduo (small blind) showed [7d 8d] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 2: Asicsis (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: krishan62 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: J9TECC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sooooooted showed [Tc Kc] and won ($19.90) with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: tricky truc (button) folded on the Flop

Hmmm...2nd hand Villian was on tilt thats why I pushed as I stacked him a few hands ago with AA Vs his AK.

When do the players start getting better I ask myself???

Chunky · #8 11-26-2007, 11:42 AM

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When do the players start getting better I ask myself???

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I know that was probably rhetorical but I'd say 25NL is the first level where the play gets more interesting.