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#11
11-29-2007, 01:12 AM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
ya exactly, its so sick (IMO)
i mean how do we not 3 bet in this spot, but how do we call a 4 bet? 
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#12
11-29-2007, 01:22 AM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
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fwiw im guessing he had QJ and was going to raise you on the river no matter what and pay off your 3bet. unfortunately the Q came. [/ QUOTE ] doubt this. hopp - just justify it like this. 3-bet/call cap is better than just calling his river raise. if you are a player who loves to play in a way that usually avoids the time when you give your opponent the chance to put in that one bet that makes you cringe, you should feel happy about that justification. this would then be a time where you are okay with allowing him to make that extra raise. sorry if this is unclear.
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#13
11-29-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
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I only raise this river if I can fold to a cap. I cannot fold to a cap (although it's probably correct) in this situation so I just call the river raise. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that we probably lose in this situation, but the weird play + odds we are getting + metagame=call.
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#17
11-29-2007, 01:17 PM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
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Full Tilt Poker $15/$30 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls. Flop: (7.00 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. River: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP caps!</font>, Hero ... So now the pot is huge, im getting like 12-1... firstly river three bet.. good bad? seems kinda standard to me but there are arguments for not doing it. call or fold now? villain is ontilt34... i dont really have any reads on him, seems semi competent though [/ QUOTE ] unless you have a history of 3bet-bluffing rivers, why would you 3bet here? What can he pay you with that you beat?
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#18
11-29-2007, 02:13 PM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
This guy should be showing up here with worse one pair hands more often than he should be showing up w/ a set or QJ. He should have AQ here alot and with the pf action being
somewhat undefined villain has no reason to think that he isnt ahead of Hoppscot's range. I really cant think of any other hand that even makes sense unless villain decided to slowplay a set to the river, which seems kind of silly with a flush and wheel draw present on the turn. Unless we know for sure whether he is capable of raise folding top pair on the river then we really need to make this 3bet.
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#19
11-29-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
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unless you have a history of 3bet-bluffing rivers, why would you 3bet here? What can he pay you with that you beat? [/ QUOTE ] youve gotta be joking bob
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#20
11-29-2007, 04:29 PM
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Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge
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[ QUOTE ] unless you have a history of 3bet-bluffing rivers, why would you 3bet here? What can he pay you with that you beat? [/ QUOTE ] youve gotta be joking bob [/ QUOTE ] well then it is an easy river fold, isn't it?
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