63s HU - Page 2

gobboboy · #11 11-21-2007, 04:43 PM

Raise dammit. Get money in the freaking pot.

ThePershore · #12 11-21-2007, 06:24 PM

I don't get why you checked the turn, lead for like 75k - 90k.

betgo · #13 11-22-2007, 03:03 AM

OK, I checkraised the turn to 150K. Was that too small? How much should I bet on the river?

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15000/t30000
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
SB: t1478322
Hero: t1791678

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB raises to t60000, Hero calls t30000 (pot was t90000).

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t120000, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t120000, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t60000, Hero raises to t150000, SB calls t90000 (pot was t330000).

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t420000, 2 players)
Hero ???

fslexcduck · #14 11-22-2007, 03:52 AM

if i'm c/r turn i'm probably c/r bigger unless i'm trying to induce a weird float or something.

on the river, i'm prob c/r again after making such a small c/r. He has a missed draw a decent amount of the time and if it isn't the nut draw (i don't know how much stuff he checks behind on flops) then he'll prob bluff it if you check to him. I don't really think he's full here very often at all unless it's exactly 44 and he decided not to bet that on the flop... so you don't have to be worried about that. so yeah um c/r more on the turn but as played you've induced a decent amount of turn floats so now i'm going to c/r again.

as for the rest of the hand, this is a great flop to lead, esp. since it checks behind a fair amount of the time... and if it doesn't check behind and oyu c/r you're toast a lot. leading is pretty fun because you can jam if raised and get the money in in decent shape or pick up a lot of chips when he bluff raises you. this of course assumes you lead ever, which if not, then this i guess isn't much of an option for you...

betgo · #15 11-22-2007, 12:10 PM

This is my actual play on the river. Was my bet too small?

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15000/t30000
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
SB: t1478322
Hero: t1791678

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB raises to t60000, Hero calls t30000 (pot was t90000).

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t120000, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t120000, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t60000, Hero raises to t150000, SB calls t90000 (pot was t330000).

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t420000, 2 players)
Hero bets t180000,

registrar · #16 11-22-2007, 12:14 PM

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Was my bet too small?

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Man, I'm sorry, but the whole hand sucks. You've got to get more money in when you hit a hand this bad this hard.

betgo · #17 11-22-2007, 12:37 PM

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Was my bet too small?

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Man, I'm sorry, but the whole hand sucks. You've got to get more money in when you hit a hand this bad this hard.

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No problem. I posted this hand because someone reviewed it for me and said I should have bet more on the turn and river, so I thought it would be interesting to see other people's opinions. I am not posting to show off how well I played.

Lost this HU, although ahead 2-1 going in, so wanted to look at it. Think I played it overall better than villain, and everyone thought so who saw the replay with both players' hole cards. Reviewer and Gobbo (who was watching it live) said I didn't get enough value generally. Not so used to fairly deep HUs with pot limit, and may not have known how to play it. Also, was 6 AM and I started playing at 3 PM the day before.

registrar · #18 11-22-2007, 12:53 PM

Well, for the river, once he calls the turn check-raise (whatever the history and image):

1. He's missed his draw and will not call any bets. I don't see this as particularly likely so I would not go for a CR. I doubt he'd ever bluff raise so betting small, or checking, has to have less value than:

2. Betting as big as you like. He's calling any reasonable bet after calling the turn CR.

Flop and turn are really image/read dependent. I throw in the odd donk into a PFR HU so that it gives me that option when I hit a hand.

Personally, I'd bet the turn. Perhaps there is possibly more value in a check-raise, though, because he'll bet his whole range almost always. However, he'll probably call a lead with almost as wide a range. I mean, you don't minraise pf and then check-back the flop and fold on this board to a turn bet. In short, I prefer a lead because we are likely to bet more than he is. 80k as people say. He can and thus probably will bet less because he has position.

Once he bets, if you're going to raise, then it should definitely be more. I can't see any reason not to. Sure, he can four-bet, but thinking he will, HU for a bracelet, whatever your raise size, is optimistic. Obviously, whatever extra money you can get in on the turn, is almost always going to be doubled on the river.