Stars VIP Wild speculation

[Henry17]

The parameters of the game is that you cannot increase the budget though. The option was keep the freerolls or $100 a month for 2000 points.

Off topic: Does Stars have any plans to ever add a sportsbook?

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The parameters of the game is that you cannot increase the budget though. The option was keep the freerolls or $100 a month for 2000 points.


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that was one option mentioned ages ago, admittedly by Scotty – but still, and there has been a lot of discussion since - you seem to hold to it like a religious edict.

[Henry17]

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Why Henry are so consistently certain that the budget is fixed? I don't get that.. Microbob made a good point ages ago that where would it end as per value decreasing as numbers increase - not recognising that seems absurd.

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The total budget it is not fixed. It is variable to the number of VPPs people earn. The reason I think this part is fixed is because Scotty offered us those two options.

The problem with the freerolls is that they are communal rather then individual. As such Stars needs to estimate the total number of SNs and have a fixed budget.

The argument that the fixed part has to increase with the number of new SNs ignores the fact that the freerolls represents a very small fraction of the total spent by Stars per SN. As such it would increase very slowly.

[NewGuy]

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The parameters of the game is that you cannot increase the budget though. The option was keep the freerolls or $100 a month for 2000 points.


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Those are the parameters of your game I guess.

The $100/month was one possible concept thrown out for discussion. As far as I know, there isn't a hard and fast fixed amount of $s / SuperNova.

[GrinningBuddha]

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Off topic: Does Stars have any plans to ever add a sportsbook?

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This would force them to leave the US market, I believe. The only poker sites that are accessible from the US are ones without attached sportsbooks. You can thank UIGEA for that situation.

[Henry17]

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The parameters of the game is that you cannot increase the budget though. The option was keep the freerolls or $100 a month for 2000 points.


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that was one option mentioned ages ago, admittedly by Scotty – but still, and there has been a lot of discussion since - you seem to hold to it like a religious edict.

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It wasn't that long ago. I think 2 weeks maybe 3.

Regardless, as a poker player I assume you understand the concept of zero sum game. EV can't be created by structuring things differently.

So if they decided to increase monthly freeroll portion to $250k from $160-170 then how does that change anything? It just increases the EV/SN/month but there is no way to use a tournament / cash structure to increase the EV unless the structure makes some SNs lose EV.

[Henry17]

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Off topic: Does Stars have any plans to ever add a sportsbook?

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This would force them to leave the US market, I believe. The only poker sites that are accessible from the US are ones without attached sportsbooks. You can thank UIGEA for that situation.

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I did not know that. Sucks. If they had a sportsbook and offered any VPPs I'd make SNE by Feb.

[NewGuy]

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It just increases the EV/SN/month but there is no way to use a tournament / cash structure to increase the EV unless the structure makes some SNs lose EV.

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I don't think anyone is arguing EV can be concocted for the whole SuperNova field out of thin air by changing the structure of the program. Basically, I don't care HOW Stars does it, I'd like to continue to get ~$3,000 in EV. Whether this is accomplished by increasing the total budget and giving cash or tournament tickets or leaving the freerolls in place is immaterial to me.

What everyone can probably agree on is that:
a) we would be pleased to receive ~$200+/month in value out of this portion of the SuperNova reward program
b) we would all like more flexibility in terms of how to extract this EV (although this is less important to me and a subset of SuperNovas who play in the freerolls now)

[sethypooh21]

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Off topic: Does Stars have any plans to ever add a sportsbook?

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This would force them to leave the US market, I believe. The only poker sites that are accessible from the US are ones without attached sportsbooks. You can thank UIGEA for that situation.

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Yeah, I would certainly hope they didn't for just this reason.

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The parameters of the game is that you cannot increase the budget though. The option was keep the freerolls or $100 a month for 2000 points.


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that was one option mentioned ages ago, admittedly by Scotty – but still, and there has been a lot of discussion since - you seem to hold to it like a religious edict.

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It wasn't that long ago. I think 2 weeks maybe 3.

Regardless, as a poker player I assume you understand the concept of zero sum game. EV can't be created by structuring things differently.

So if they decided to increase monthly freeroll portion to $250k from $160-170 then how does that change anything? It just increases the EV/SN/month but there is no way to use a tournament / cash structure to increase the EV unless the structure makes some SNs lose EV.

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Ages within the context of the flow of discussion. Anyway certainly it seems likely that with a system revamp someone somewhere will lose some EV in absolute terms although of course with a theoretically infinite budget (which obviously there isn't) that doesn't have to be the case. Simply speaking though I'd be happy with say a $180 a month net cash bonus - sure I'd lose out a bit but it wouldn't be that dramatic - I prefer the ticket idea and I think it works more in Stars favour but I'd be essentially happy with that.


The bonus versus the freeroll choice as proposed by Scotty seems pretty much guaranteed to annoy quite a few people one way or the other, a more generous bonus would go a long way to avoid that in my case at least. In short and I think I've been consistent on this all the way through - I strongly hope they increase the budget assigned to this part of the promotion which in fairness only makes sense.