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Old 07-25-2007, 06:36 AM
Huggy Huggy is offline
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Default KK shove or see a flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($202.90)
BB ($297.30)
Hero ($196)
MP ($194.05)
CO ($76.25)
Button ($277.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $33</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

What do you do?
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Old 07-25-2007, 06:37 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

Easy 4bet.
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Old 07-25-2007, 06:56 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

Stats or 3 betting frequencies would help, but the default play would be to 4 bet.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:37 AM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

~71 to induce a shove
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:54 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

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~71 to induce a shove

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Old 07-25-2007, 08:02 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

i mix up between calling an 4betting. if you think your image isn't too out of line, he will probably fold AK/QQ to a 4bet given that its UTG vs SB. I think your best bet to get further action from TT-QQ is to call and get it in on a ragged flop.
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:07 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

Calling isn't an option, you don't want MP and Button to come along
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:33 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

too many monkeys in tree - mandatory 4bet.

if he's not retarded shoving is better than going to 71.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:16 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

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if he's not retarded shoving is better than going to 71.

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Could you elaborate please.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:19 AM
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Default Re: KK shove or see a flop?

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if he's not retarded shoving is better than going to 71.

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Could you elaborate please.

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these smallish reraises are almost always big PPs while shoves can be wider, even though the effect of either bet size (committing) is the same.
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