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11-18-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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it means you lose. I don't think the pot is big enough to do anything but fold here. [/ QUOTE ] Im not debating it, I fold here too we have a weak hand and no good redraws its a no brainer IMO. Im just curious how you intrepret his play here coz it confuses me when people take this line 
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11-18-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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[ QUOTE ] it means you lose. I don't think the pot is big enough to do anything but fold here. [/ QUOTE ] Im not debating it, I fold here too we have a weak hand and no good redraws its a no brainer IMO. Im just curious how you intrepret his play here coz it confuses me when people take this line [/ QUOTE ] Right - I mean without a strong read (as in, villain is tilty/FPSy Heisenberg, which this isn't) fold is reasonably easy, but wtf does he have?
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#3
11-18-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs
No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold.
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#4
11-19-2007, 12:06 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold. [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, when good players take a b/s line, its a reverse psychology kind of thing. They realize that they are doing something that is confusing, but they want you to call down or raise with the exact hand we have. sure it could be a gutshot + turn flush draw, the only problem is, that hand has about 20 outs on us. Pot is small, we barely hit it, I'm folding here.
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#5
11-19-2007, 06:36 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold. [/ QUOTE ] where did you get the idea that villians play the same as you? maiby his normal line is to c/c draws and donk when he hits them
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#6
11-19-2007, 08:45 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
Would you guys fold J9? KJ? A2?
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#7
11-19-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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[ QUOTE ] I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold. [/ QUOTE ] where did you get the idea that villians play the same as you? maiby his normal line is to c/c draws and donk when he hits them [/ QUOTE ] a) nobody does that b) if he do Seth would know.
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#8
11-19-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
don't fold....
In general, this is a good line to take on boards where you want the the caller to catch something on the turn to pay you off. On a board this drawy/high you do not need to at all... So there's not too much merit in playing anything but a bluff like that. Plus if you have a draw, c/c the turn reveals a lot about your hand (gooddraw/pair)... Basically this is a fastplay flop, so a c/c, then donk to me on a 3 spade turn is suspicious not as a monster.. I think youll see a gutshot + spade draw here a very high % of the time. Fold river if board sraightens or spades.. I think the only hand id play like this is J4s and a gutshot with a spade draw.
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#9
11-19-2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
probably a multitable error... agree with hip - you lose; pot too small to draw
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#10
11-18-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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Right - I mean without a strong read (as in, villain is tilty/FPSy Heisenberg, which this isn't) fold is reasonably easy, but wtf does he have? [/ QUOTE ] I dunno bro, confuses the [censored] out of me when good players do this. Coming from a true donk ive noticed that it often means theyve turned a weak two pair but I really dont think thats the case here. I would tend to agree with yourface I think his range is weighted towards pair/draw combos containing a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] which is why id usualy fold. Maybe some players do this with a naked [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I dont know. Realy throws me off too when a good opponent takes his line, kinda annoys me...
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