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Old 02-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Doblame Doblame is offline
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Default 2/4 suspicious push on turn

Villain has 3-bet my last two raises, to which I've folded. Other than that we haven't had any significant hands. I have him at 28/20 over 110 hands or so.

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SB ($139.85)
BB ($422.70)
Hero ($470.15)
Button ($675.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $52</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $36.

Flop: ($110) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($110) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $72</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $623.85</font>, Hero ???.
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Old 02-05-2007, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

such a trivially easy fold preflop
as played no way you can call this
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:00 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

First Level thinking:
You have KK with a J kicker he raised you all-in. Call with your top pair fairly good kicker.

Second Level thinking:
Pre flop ReRaising Hands
AA KK AK - you lose
QQ -&gt; but this is probably a call preflop right - you win.
Looks like you are in trouble, Fold.

Third Level thinking.
He knows you would interpret this pattern of betting as a strong hand by the turn - so he bets hard at the pot.
If you suspect he is capable of this move - call.

Fourth Level thinking:
He knows you would put him on AA KK AK after his PF reraise
He also knows you might interpret a big overbet as weakness/bluff.
He is actually looking to maximize his strong hand.
Fold.

Of these possibilities - your player may represent the Fourth Level thinking opponent - all we know is that he's playing fairly TAG for a four handed table.

I'd Fold
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

[ QUOTE ]
First Level thinking:
You have KK with a J kicker he raised you all-in. Call with your top pair fairly good kicker.

Second Level thinking:
Pre flop ReRaising Hands
AA KK AK - you lose
QQ -&gt; but this is probably a call preflop right - you win.

Looks like you are in trouble, Fold.

Third Level thinking:
He knows you would put him on AA KK AK after his PF reraise
He also knows you might interpret a big overbet as weakness/bluff.
He is actually looking to maximize his strong hand

Fold.

Of these possibilities - your player may represent the Third Level thinking opponent - all we know is that he's playing fairly TAG for a four handed table.

I'd Fold

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call with QQ preflop????????????????? huh?

looks like a fold though
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:07 PM
Moonshine Moonshine is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

jesus, fold preflop

i would bet more on the turn and then feel quite comfortable folding to the shove
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:26 PM
Praetor Praetor is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

pre-flop is really bad
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

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pre-flop is really bad

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Old 02-05-2007, 10:34 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

i call here.
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:00 PM
nextgenneo nextgenneo is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

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i call here.

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o rly, this looks like a completely simple lay down to me
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:04 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 suspicious push on turn

meh, it just looks too much like clubs, more of an instinctive thing than anything else, i dont really have a defense of it or i would have posted more detail. :shrug:
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