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Old 11-23-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

Table was tight in general, but villian hasn't been at table as long as the others, and has been much more active than the rest of the table (seems semi lag possibly a little donkish). About 10 mins ago I doubled through him...

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $200/$400
6 players
Converter

Stacks - UTG+1 = 44,103.
- Hero = 11,401

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#red">UTG+1 raises to $800</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2000, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#red">UTG+1 bets $2180</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6360, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#red">UTG+1 bets $6540</font>, <font color="#red">Hero raises all-in $8620.72</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($23601.44, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $23601.44)


Results:
Final pot: $23601.44
<font color="#white">UTG+1 shows 5c 5d</font>


I've been playing semi-loose aggrooo and have been raising 2.5x BB as standard and have raised the last 2 hands, hand 1 I raised to 1k got re-popped to 3k and folded. Hand 2 I raised to 1k all folded.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $200/$400
6 players
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Stacks - Hero 23,442.
- Button 20,804.
- rest of table ~ 20k-ish, one stack of 9k.

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#red">Hero raises to $1000</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2600, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2600, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#red">Button bets $1390</font>, Hero calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($5380, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#red">Button bets $3600</font>, Hero requests TIME.


Edited to include stack sizes.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:21 AM
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Default Re: 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

uhh. profitably, no.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:15 AM
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Default Re: 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

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uhh. profitably, no.

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So you think villian plays a wide range of hands this way that have us beat?
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

You said yourself he is playing laggish and more active than everyone else at the table, how many Kx, Qx, Jx combos can you comfortabley rule out of his range? probably not that many....
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

why did you check call turn? bet flop/fold to rai or check fold. check calling is not an option here imo
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:19 AM
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You said yourself he is playing laggish and more active than everyone else at the table, how many Kx, Qx, Jx combos can you comfortabley rule out of his range? probably not that many....

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I agree he can have Jx, but why would he check behind with Kx/Qx on the flop given it's a drawy board - doesn't really fit with his image.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:30 AM
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why did you check call turn? bet flop/fold to rai or check fold. check calling is not an option here imo

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Becuase I have a pair + straight draw and I think he fires the turn with a lot of his range so there's a good chance I'm ahead anyway.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:47 AM
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why did you check call turn? bet flop/fold to rai or check fold. check calling is not an option here imo

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Becuase I have and underpair to three overs and a straight DRAW on the river and I think he fires the turn with a lot of his range so there's a good chance I'm ahead anyway.

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Well isn't alot of his range going to be PaintX combo's within his range?
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

You know this guy is going to fire the river if you check-call turn and then check to him again so, as played, call. If you don't want to call the river, but do want to call the turn, then block the river. He won't fold AJ very often but at least you can set the bet size.

Edit: FWIW, though it's been a while since I played on Prima, I'd have led the flop. It's not good poker because checking the turn (I'd double barrel this one) means he'll take it away but we don't have a stack, board or holding to snap off bluffs over three streets, so I'm happy taking it down or otherwise, and cheaply, off the bat.
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: 6max - TT with 3 overcards on board, can I call here profitably?

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You said yourself he is playing laggish and more active than everyone else at the table, how many Kx, Qx, Jx combos can you comfortabley rule out of his range? probably not that many....

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I agree he can have Jx, but why would he check behind with Kx/Qx on the flop given it's a drawy board - doesn't really fit with his image.

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i certainly dont think you can rule out some of the junky hands and busted draws from his range, but a bad lag for SURE can get stupid and think hes trapping with a king on this flop, then be forced to bet the last 2 streets when he sees that you're not betting for him. all of his big hands make sense here, as do some trash ones. i do not hate the call because stacks are deep and if he was bluffing the turn a player like this would prob. be bluffing river as well, but i still think its a fold because sooooo many hands and even bluffs can have you beat.
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