JJ at 200nl

[TwistedEcho]

Couldn't think of a more exciting title. Opponent is dataporton, another suspected 2p2er 21/19/3 kid who opens light and 3bets lots. We have some 3bet history but nothing huge. I don't think his coldcalling range is really nitty, but it probably does include AA/KK some of the time at least.

Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
6 Players
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SB: $98
<u>Hero (BB): $248.25</u>
UTG: $213
MP: $281.55
CO: $166.40
<u>BTN: $257</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, BTN calls $18

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($51) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $37.15</font>, BTN calls $37.15

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($125.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $88</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $186.10</font>

[cakewalk]

seems pretty thin. how often does he have 77-TT here ? how often is he calling with AcJc+ on that flop and betting the turn. given that, check/folding turn seems weak. bet/folding is ok but who the hell folds? whatever. c/raiggogogogogo

[cakewalk]

i can't believe im bumping someone else's hand..

[mdkrahn]

I agree, it seems pretty thin to me without history between the two of you.

I'm pretty sure he's folding worse, and calling better almost always here.

Alternatively,
I'm not sure what a better line is, though I like the turn check.

[GrandMelon]

Dataporton seems to be pretty solid IME. Havent played with him enough to know his 3 betting calling range though.

With QQ Id say pretty standard but this is closer. Seems ok I guess.

[GrandMelon]

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I'm pretty sure he's folding worse, and calling better almost always here.



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Yea this line basically gains us the most when were ahead and costs us the most when were behind.

[Panthro]

I guess this is a value shove right? I'm not criticizing your line, but I've never played with dataporton so I don't have a good feel for what his range is here.

[mdkrahn]

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I'm pretty sure he's folding worse, and calling better almost always here.



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Yea this line basically gains us the most when were ahead and costs us the most when were behind.

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so.....

in any case,
what do people think about a good turn line then as an alternative to crai?

[cakewalk]

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I'm pretty sure he's folding worse, and calling better almost always here.



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Yea this line basically gains us the most when were ahead and costs us the most when were behind.

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so.....

in any case,
what do people think about a good turn line then as an alternative to crai?

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bet/fold ?

[Will221]

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I agree, it seems pretty thin to me without history between the two of you.

I'm pretty sure he's folding worse, and calling better almost always here.

Alternatively,
I'm not sure what a better line is, though I like the turn check.

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It really doesnt matter here if he's folding worst and calling what beats us since there's a lot in the pot and a lot of river cards really complicates thing, I think here it's about extracting the most without complicating our life too much.

His line pretty much does that, yeah sometimes we will get stack by AA/KK/QQ, or a rare set, but I think this type of opponent is very cappable of floating he can also play 77-TT like that and maybe draw. I don't know if he bets turn with 77-TT and draws here, if I know that it probably changes my line... It's a high variance play, but pretty sure it's +EV