FTOPS #1 - When do I become a believer?

hockey coach · #1 08-09-2007, 07:47 PM

From lasts nights FTOPS. Table has been pretty tight passive including Hero (completely card dead to this point) and SB. Villian has been one of the few aggro players but not a maniac or lagtard.

When he limped button I assumed he didn't have a big hand since there was no reason to expect either SB or Hero to make a move. Also didn't think he had junk - expecting him to raise or fold that. I expected he had some connecting cards that wouldn't mind playing multi-way in position.

I'm not giving him credit for an A or a K here. I am sure he'll stab at this if checked to; I'm confident he'll fire a second shell; no clue if he could/would fire a 3rd shell. At what point in the hand should I cease in my disbelief and assume he has me beat? What's the best line for balancing value generation from his bluffs and finding myself alone in value town?

OT - where's the converter for FT? Anyway, here's raw history:

Full Tilt Poker Game #3195887199: FTOPS Event #1 (22618705), Table 439 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:49:03 ET - 2007/08/08
Seat 1: Sydney Dean (7,024)
Seat 2: johnyblaze62 (2,330)
Seat 3: manumilitari (4,318)
Seat 4: gallagej (2,700)
Seat 5: Poker_Cuervo (7,810)
Seat 6: waterfall47 (9,007)
Seat 7: rev hockey (5,170)
Seat 8: Sashimi Sushi (5,870)
Seat 9: bascomeb (2,610)
waterfall47 posts the small blind of 80
rev hockey posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rev hockey [Kh 8c]
Sashimi Sushi has 15 seconds left to act
Sashimi Sushi folds
bascomeb folds
Sydney Dean folds
johnyblaze62 folds
manumilitari folds
gallagej folds
Poker_Cuervo calls 160
waterfall47 folds
rev hockey checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Kd Ac]
rev hockey checks
Poker_Cuervo bets 320
rev hockey calls 320
*** TURN *** [3c Kd Ac] [6d]
rev hockey checks
Poker_Cuervo bets 800
rev hockey calls 800
*** RIVER *** [3c Kd Ac 6d] [7s]
rev hockey checks
Poker_Cuervo bets 2,240

Hero??

gs3737 · #2 08-09-2007, 11:12 PM

I would like to think you can find a better spot. You pretty much can't beat anything here.

BadgerPro · #3 08-09-2007, 11:52 PM

Could be Arag that made aces up, 45, or 67cc. Missed clubs or just a straight 3 barrel bluff are possible.

Not sure why everyone is doing the check/call 3 streets line lately. I'd prefer a flop, turn, or river lead somewhere to pick up some more info. I'm not a fan of the check/call and hope lines even with how aggressive everyone seems to be getting.

Bond18 · #4 08-10-2007, 12:01 AM

Hmm, this one is a lot tougher as your hands showdown value is a lot weaker.

Its really not uncommon for people to open limp the button with a weak suited ace. I like your flop call, but by the turn i probably give up unless you have a really specific reason to believe he never limps a low A/decent K here.

One other thing to consider, is that a lot of people are really bad post flop and might turn a hand with a lot of showdown value (say a limped K9-KJ) into a bluff and jam the river. Unfortunately, you don't beat any of those hands.

TheNewf · #5 08-10-2007, 02:25 AM

I fold the turn, but I am often described as weak and/or tight. I also find I am usually right in these situations though.

timex · #6 08-10-2007, 02:48 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I fold the turn, and I love seeing 7 cards. I also find I am usually right in these situations iff I agree with Watts.

[/ QUOTE ]

hockey coach · #7 08-10-2007, 09:08 AM

What part of his range value bets the turn? Don't margina1 1 pair hands check behind in a WAWB pot control situation? Don't monsters check behind on a dry board to get an extra bet from my likely 1 pair holding on the river?

BadgerPro · #8 08-10-2007, 10:02 AM

[ QUOTE ]
What part of his range value bets the turn? Don't margina1 1 pair hands check behind in a WAWB pot control situation? Don't monsters check behind on a dry board to get an extra bet from my likely 1 pair holding on the river?

[/ QUOTE ]

This isn't a dry board.

stevepa · #9 08-10-2007, 10:29 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I fold the turn, and I love seeing 7 cards. I also find I am usually right in these situations iff I agree with Watts.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

0evg0 · #10 08-10-2007, 10:33 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Could be Arag that made aces up, 45, or 67cc. Missed clubs or just a straight 3 barrel bluff are possible.

Not sure why everyone is doing the check/call 3 streets line lately. I'd prefer a flop, turn, or river lead somewhere to pick up some more info. I'm not a fan of the check/call and hope lines even with how aggressive everyone seems to be getting.

[/ QUOTE ]

Betting at any point in this hand is very, very bad.