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Old 11-29-2007, 01:40 PM
davebreal davebreal is offline
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Default 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

I was browsing the archive and feeling nostalgic for good PLO8 posts... maybe these will spur something.

I'm not interested in pre-flop comments. aggressor in both hands is "THEOLDLION", i don't have experience against him.

9 players
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Stacks:
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$844.80</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$968.80</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$167.40</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$742.80</font>)
MP3 (<font color="#0000cc">$387.10</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$855.60</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$158.10</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$376.00</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$234.30</font>)
[UTG+1 posted $2]
[UTG+1 posted $4]

Pre-flop: ($12, 9 players) Hero is UTG T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero calls $4, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $4, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $32</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $28, <font color="#777777">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP2 calls $28, <font color="#777777">CO folds</font>

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($112, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $112</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to $448</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#0000cc">[b], hero???

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Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$678.40</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$448.10</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$925.95</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$120.10</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$368.00</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$868.45</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$918.60</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$161.40</font>)

Pre-flop: ($6, 8 players) Hero is BTN A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $14</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $14, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $14, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, BB calls $10

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($58, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $58</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $58, <font color="#cc0000">BB goes all-in $147.4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $558.2</font>, hero???


*Edit - Station please do not provide results or chat from this hand right now.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

I get in on both hands, especially #1. There is no way you are beat here. Is there a reason why you arent interested in preflop comments? On #2, have you run A2xx vs KKxx vs your hand for expected value? I go by feel, and I would call, and then the 2s will hit.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

He either has AKQJ or is 99.9% convinced that you would bluff here on the obvious board that nobody raising pf should hit.
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Old 11-29-2007, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

hand 1: i would fold both streets.

hand 2: my gorilla math says folds.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:58 PM
GaZaZaZa GaZaZaZa is offline
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

Unless u have a dead on read in hand one....i cant imagine that being a call, especially against an unknown i see no option but folding, you run into a set faaar to often hear to which you a screwed, not to mention that your not all that flash hot against a made straight, and no real backdoor low to bail you out if need be....

second hand.. its real close, math might just point to a fold, but i just cant let these hands go.. also im sure there are some meta game reasons to make this call, especially if you are properly rolled for this game, shove/call and pray
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:26 PM
zizazziza zizazziza is offline
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

1) How is this not a call? I mean do you think he is overcalling pf with 78A2 or something like that? I mean even if he has a set of 6s, you still have backdoor FD, backdoor terrible low draw, and GSD and Boat-draw. I think this is a call
2) I think I'm calling cuz im a donkey.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:49 PM
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

1) I think I fold this.

2) Yuck! I could go either way. Very tough spot--. This makes me a fish, but this is probably mood dependent to me.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:06 PM
Assani Fisher Assani Fisher is offline
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

Dave and everyone else who has replied,

Thanks so much for starting interesting topics like these.
I love good discussions,and you guys really know how to spark them. I greatly respect all of you. On to the hands...

Hand #1: At first I didn't look at stack sizes(I thought he was all in) and said to call. With stacks that deep I fold it. At very best you're getting slightly enough odds considering his range to call here, and you're good enough to avoid those chances and still beat the game. At worst, you're crippled(any two low cards and 78 or any two low cards and a set).

2. I'm getting my money in here. Too many possibilities. Unless he has a total monster you're getting a good price, and the key difference between this and the first hand: Even when he does have that total monster(like A2 with a set) you still have quite a few outs.


Predator, Dave doesn't want preflop comments because he already knows that everyone will question his limp UTG in hand #1 and hes ok with it. Personally, I'd love to hear Dave actually debate it and explain why he makes such plays, but in the past(and in OP here) hes avoided such discussions.

I hope you all have a great day. The holiday season is getting close,and its such an exciting time of year for all. God bless.

Love,
Assani
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

1 I thought was AI on flop as well. Since he raised 50% of his stack, I think I can find a fold but expect him to have a WSD or something like that.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands

to add color to my post:

hand 1:

you guys are not taking the preflop betting order into account. Button raised preflop, DAVE LED INTO A multiplayer field and then MP2 repotted him by putting in half his stack. MP2's range should squarely put him on a straight and will be holding a better low draw majority of hte time. and even if he doesn't, MP2 is going to be on a set or wrap + probable better low draw the rest of the time leaving Dave as a dog. this hand is dogshit preflop and a turd after the flop action.

Dave i'm guessing you don't want to hear about preflop in this hand because you know it's atrocious. (i'm defintiely calling the kettle black here.)

hand 2: in this spot, you need to discount number of outs available to you. with the short stack possibly stealing your spade outs OR pulling a donkey move with a pair + NLD i think it's a muck.

for those saying good price so call, my math comes out to 821:500. (how is this ratio possible in PL? isn't this a no-limit hand?)

the real price you're getting is worse than that because you're going to be calling the last of hte UTG $ on a blank turn.
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