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Old 09-01-2007, 07:46 AM
Romulet Romulet is offline
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Default Playing against a specific kind of fish.

Okay left me describe a player to you.

He's about 70/0.

Defends his blind with any 2 , limps preflop with any 2, always floats the flop and seems to float the turn a very high percantage of the time.
If you check to him he will bet.(forcing you to show down K/A high)

Sounds like a dream but it's bloody difficult. I just dropped $200 to this guy. I just couldn't read him.

I find myself playing against him like an all in NL player once I have a decent hand.

Any suggestions?

I suppose I normally crush them and they leave the table out of pocket and I just don't notice but this was tough.
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

Sounds like you played him OK, but just ran bad. Usually just bet, when you have something, but if he always bets when checked to, then c/r turn or river sometimes as well.

Checking to induce bluffs with marginal hands is fine as well.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:03 AM
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

You have no fold equity against this player but get to value bet him to death. Next session just make some hands and have AK UI hold up when he misses the board his fair share.

I have played agaisnt these players and agree when you are not connecting it can be fustrating. The worst player in the history of the game is on your immediate right. He is hitting everything and yet you know it is -EV to move.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

Check behind more flops with initative and no showdown value if he's rarely folding before the river. Also incorporate the turn value check more often. Just basically play your equity vs him, and ignore folding equity.
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:01 AM
Gurravasa Gurravasa is offline
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

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Check behind more flops with initative and no showdown value if he's rarely folding before the river. Also incorporate the turn value check more often. Just basically play your equity vs him, and ignore folding equity.

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As sharpie says, and remember that the only time when theese guys are difficult to play is when your running bad and they're running good but over time this is one of the easiest players to destroy, just manipulate the potsize to match your equity and you'll get some easy money.
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Old 09-01-2007, 12:14 PM
JerBear77 JerBear77 is offline
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

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Check behind more flops with initative and no showdown value if he's rarely folding before the river. Also incorporate the turn value check more often. Just basically play your equity vs him, and ignore folding equity.

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nh. This is huge for me @ the .25/.50 and 1/2. Let them bet your hands for you when its borderline.
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

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If you check to him he will bet.

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Shocked no one has suggested this: if you c-bet the the flop OOP and he just calls, then c/r the turn light (say, most pairs). This is immediately profitable b/c most pairs crush his range (almost any two). Even better, he will soon show less aggression, allowing you to get to showdown cheaper with A/K high.
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:37 PM
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Even better, he will soon show less aggression, allowing you to get to showdown cheaper with A/K high.

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This isn't better, when a player is so predictable in his actions we don't want to discourage that.
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Old 09-01-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Playing against a specific kind of fish.

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If you check to him he will bet.

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Shocked no one has suggested this: if you c-bet the the flop OOP and he just calls, then c/r the turn light (say, most pairs). This is immediately profitable b/c most pairs crush his range (almost any two). Even better, he will soon show less aggression, allowing you to get to showdown cheaper with A/K high.

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Use his tendency to bet when checked to to induce bluffs with bluffcatching-type hands in position instead, i.e valuechek turn. If you start checkraising when you are the pf-raiser you'll kill the action that you profit on. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!
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