FTOPS #6 (322$): QJo on the BB, facing a pf-raise from a maniac

Tackleberry · #1 08-12-2007, 07:47 PM

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $50/$100
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $275, 6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($600, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $200, Hero raises to $1200, UTG+1 raises all-in $3956, Hero ???

Villain is a complete donkish maniac (51/40 over 70 hands) who had showndown complete rubbish, cold-calling pf-raises with A5o and even went all-in with bottom-pair on a K-high flop (against a pf-raiser!). If he doesn´t hit the board, he tends to make a conti-bet and fold the turn. Are those reads enough to call him preflop / on the flop?

Heir_Aparent · #2 08-12-2007, 07:51 PM

what are stacks? assuming your semi deep, i dont mind the call preflop.

dont raise this flop unless your prepared to call a push tho. Given your description you have to call, but in general i just call flop unless im v. happy to get it in

Tackleberry · #3 08-13-2007, 04:59 AM

My stack was about 5k, Villain had about 4k.

Yoshi63 · #4 08-13-2007, 05:25 AM

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dont raise this flop unless your prepared to call a push tho. Given your description you have to call, but in general i just call flop unless im v. happy to get it in

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Agree. You said he was a donk, so go with it. Even if you're behind, you'll have outs. But I'd expect to be ahead a good portion.

Tackleberry · #5 08-13-2007, 05:55 AM

OK, I tell you what happened. I was slightly astonished about his push but I reluctantly called (which I planned to do anyway before I raised the flop). Unfortunately he rubbed my nose into his 88 - which held up and even improved to FH by the river.

I just wanted to know if I overreached here - as I had a sizeable stack (slightly above average) and was in no need to tangle with the table-maniac.

JammyDodga · #6 08-13-2007, 07:46 AM

"If he doesn´t hit the board, he tends to make a conti-bet and fold the turn"

How come you didn't go with this read?

Tackleberry · #7 08-13-2007, 08:12 AM

I wanted him to fold his overcards as well as any straigh draws (i.e. AT) ...

JammyDodga · #8 08-13-2007, 08:56 AM

What I was getting at was that you said that if he misses he seems to give up after a bit of resistance. You've shown that by a 1200 bet but he re-pushes, surely your read of him says that he has something good here.

Tackleberry · #9 08-13-2007, 09:15 AM

Ok, now I got you. What I wanted to say was, that if he missed the board completely, he backs off. If he hit instead anything (whatever it might be) he plays aggressive.

Here is an example (roughly out of my memory):

Blinds are 30/60

MP2 (about 7k) raises to 240, Villain (Maniac, 5k) calls in the SB.

Flop comes 59T rainbow. Villain bets 300, MP2 calls. Turn comes K. Villain instapushes (remember his stack-size!!!) ... is called by MP2 and shows A5, losing against MP2´s AK. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

tomek322 · #10 08-13-2007, 10:09 AM

Not that it's relavant to this post, but my table played like a total rock garden.

Funniest comment of the day way: A guy raises UTG+1, gets RRed by MP+3, it get's back to the original raiser. He writes "queens no good at this table" and mucks.