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Old 07-03-2007, 12:18 AM
grounder grounder is offline
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Default TPTK Call on River after LPP Turn C/R?

SB is LPP (47/6/0.95).
BB is LAG (40/21/2.15).

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A Q
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
I cap figuring that I have enough equity given that SB is LPP.

Flop: 3 A 9 (12SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
I bet even if BB is planning a c/r with AA/AK because I don't want SB spiking a funky two pair/trips/set.

Turn: 7 (7.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.
SB c/r me on the turn. I'm guessing he has Aces up or a set of 3's or 9s. Plugging it into PokerStove I have 10% against his range. I'm getting 10.5:1 and call.

River: K (11.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero ???

1) My AQ is a reverse implied odds hand if SB holds a set. Does this make my turn play a fold?

2) Is this an easy fold on the river even with 12.5:1 (7.4% I need to win) on my call? I don't think he c/r the turn with AT/AJ after a pre-flop cap.

3) If the river was a "Q", giving me top two, do I B/3B, since SB's Aces up contribute more to his range (combination-wise) than a set?
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Old 07-03-2007, 01:38 AM
NinaWilliams NinaWilliams is offline
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Default Re: TPTK Call on River after LPP Turn C/R?

1) no. The pot is pretty big, you might be ahead, and you have odds to draw vs 2 pair

2) River may be a fold, but I always call and dont feel too bad about it

3) You cant b/3b since you have position, I think the river is a raise if you hit the Q, but I havent done the math. It seems like he has 2 pair much more than he has a set, and he wont always 3 bet the river with a set.

Preflop I just call. I dont like your equity that much even vs a LAG. I feel like he has us dominated much more than we have him dominated.
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Old 07-03-2007, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: TPTK Call on River after LPP Turn C/R?

1. Don't fold the turn.
2. River call is probably -EV, but I usually pay off.
3. Raise a river Q and throw up if you get three-bet.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: TPTK Call on River after LPP Turn C/R?

I don't fold many turns getting 10:1.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:48 AM
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Default Re: TPTK Call on River after LPP Turn C/R?

Read the part about hidden outs in your LHE books. You cant fold the turn as you have a lot of outs against A3, 97 and A7.

The river is a crying call. I usually make it tho
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:46 AM
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Default Re: TPTK Call on River after LPP Turn C/R?

In a vacuum I think the river call is -EV against a LPP. In a pot this size it's probably no big mistake to call though and you have to be careful about folding the river too often in pots this size.
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