5/10 7hi OOP. push or give up?

flawless_victory · #1 07-03-2006, 06:03 AM

villain is 28/19/2.5 "goodbetmate"... seems to play well.

comments on all streets are fine, but mostly intersted in the river... move in or give up?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($1384.50)
SB ($538.19)
BB ($719.02)
UTG ($945)
Hero ($2978.05)
CO ($985)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, Hero raises to $35, 1 fold, Button calls $35, SB (poster) calls $30, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($140) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $120, Button calls $120, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($380) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $280, Button calls $280.

River: ($940) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

flawless_victory · #2 07-03-2006, 06:06 AM

moderator plz move this to the high stakes forum.

luckychewy · #3 07-03-2006, 06:07 AM

Eh, I think just give up. He might interprit a push as you trying to make him fold an ace for a chop and call. He also might think you think that and fold giving you credit for a bigger hand but the former is less likely I think. I just don't think this is a time to fire 3.

Just wondering what your thoughts are on the turn bet as I don't like it much.

flawless_victory · #4 07-03-2006, 06:12 AM

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Just wondering what your thoughts are on the turn bet as I don't like it much.

[/ QUOTE ]it represents alot of strength to continue betting after betting on the flop 4way... i think he will often fold an ace.

lildeuces · #5 07-03-2006, 06:18 AM

all in baby

Nielsio · #6 07-03-2006, 06:45 AM

I'd sooner bet like 660.

luckychewy · #7 07-03-2006, 06:55 AM

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Just wondering what your thoughts are on the turn bet as I don't like it much.

[/ QUOTE ]it represents alot of strength to continue betting after betting on the flop 4way... i think he will often fold an ace.

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Yea. I thought a lot more about this hand just before. I understand the 2nd barrel represents a lot of strength but depending on your 2nd barrel frequency combined with his turn raising frequency this could be bad. I doubt he folds a hand as good as AQ/AJ if you often fire twice but in this case I have changed my answer to firing a 3rd barrel but only because I think he has a missed draw as well.

I assume you fold the turn if raised? I guess thinking more about this hand makes me almost completely disagree with my first post.

My thoughts regarding the turn bet were that by checking you can often either c/r a bigger bet that prices you out and peel for a small bet that prices you in. This is also dependent on your frequency to c/r the turn in situations like these only if your opponent is thinking though. So yea I'd bet it now.

Enzyme · #8 07-03-2006, 09:19 AM

I'm having serious troubles putting villain on a hand that doesn't fold to the push on the river. Even if he does call with AQ/AJ, I would guess it would usually be a mistake against fv. (Let him correct me if I'm wrong.) I would probably move in against a decent player (much less vs donk.) I do have doubts about it though, since I also have troubles assigning villain hands that just keep calling (I'm pretty sure set/2pair raise somewhere.) Except mentioned AQ/AJ hands, maybe 5d4d, QdJd JdTd? He would raise with Kdxd, would he?

This of course can be way off, as you both seem on a loose side, so recent history might affect this a lot. Same with the river bet size, it just depends...

ipp147 · #9 07-03-2006, 10:54 AM

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I'm having serious troubles putting villain on a hand that doesn't fold to the push on the river.

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I think AK calls, particulaly if FV has been playing laggy.

Jay. · #10 07-03-2006, 11:16 AM

I'd go at it here, i would also have 3 barrelled this hand. Deciding the exact amount though is pretty tough. I think if you full pot this stat'ed player gets really curious before anything else, but the lower you bet the more desireable his call to split is. I'd aim for $800.