Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!

[mvoss]

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Edit: Also, what's with veteran players always coming into the NC and saying things like this. Are you trying to tilt me outside of the table? 98s for 3 pre-flop is obviously a losing play, likewise with the 2 outer chasing on the flop for multiple bets.

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Why is playing 98s in a [censored] huge multuway pot such a horrible play? And doesn't he have at least 4 outs on the flop?

[shane88888]

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741 games 0.005 secs 148,200 games/sec

Board: 7s Jd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.773% 47.77% 00.00% 354 0.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.385% 14.98% 00.40% 111 3.00 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 03.239% 03.24% 00.00% 24 0.00 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 17.139% 16.73% 00.40% 124 3.00 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 16.464% 16.46% 00.00% 122 0.00 { KcJc }


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38 games 0.005 secs 7,600 games/sec

Board: 7s Jd 3h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.053% 71.05% 00.00% 27 0.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 05.263% 05.26% 00.00% 2 0.00 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 07.895% 07.89% 00.00% 3 0.00 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 02.632% 02.63% 00.00% 1 0.00 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 13.158% 13.16% 00.00% 5 0.00 { KcJc }

[mvoss]

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850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

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Where in this hand is villain calling 3 cold?

[Wolfram]

Absolution,

Villain has about 15% equity preflop. His preflop call is gambling, but it's not that much -EV.

Folding the flop in that spot is wrong imo. He has 4 outs to the nuts and the pot is huge, and there are overcallers as well.

Turn and river are perfectly played.

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88,534,973,435 games 439.769 secs 201,321,542 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.088% 16.24% 00.84% 14381285687 747527364.77 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 15.439% 15.40% 00.04% 13632671205 36537344.60 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 13.167% 12.22% 00.95% 10817456353 839858202.43 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 3: 21.938% 21.11% 00.83% 18685666157 737244716.10 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }
Hand 4: 32.369% 31.62% 00.75% 27998277441 660150301.10 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }


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[shane88888]

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2,051,405 games 77.691 secs 26,404 games/sec

Board: 7s Jd 3h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.362% 22.67% 00.69% 465010 14232.17 { 99+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 19.159% 17.87% 01.29% 366588 26444.92 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 16.475% 15.29% 01.19% 313653 24318.75 { 88-55, ATs-A2s, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, AJo-A7o, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }
Hand 3: 16.422% 15.23% 01.19% 312475 24396.75 { 88-55, ATs-A2s, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, AJo-A7o, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }
Hand 4: 24.583% 23.52% 01.06% 482560 21727.42 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, ATo+, KJo+ }


First off, he didn't call three cold. He was the BB.

Second, the point is that 98s is usually in pretty good shape, equity-wise, in a multiway pot.

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OK no more quoting. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


I know its LC/NC and I know you hate BB. But folding the flop would be silly not to say terrible. He is looking at odds between 15:1 (no more raising and all calls) and 10:1 (CO caps and MP folds) with 4 outs to the nuts and where any 9, 8, 6, 5 and diamond would improve his draw substantially. Cmon. Do you really think he should fold?



I dunno about preflop. But if I knew that you knew that CO had a huge range I am never folding. I doubt preflop is a huge -EV play.

[Absolution]

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850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

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Where in this hand is villain calling 3 cold?

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Pre-flop (see my read) and most likely on the flop. I'm done defending this and I'm going to assume you're all just trying to level me. Enjoy discussing the merits of playing suited connectors for multiple bets.

[shane88888]

This is a great spot for something like 98s.

It seems like you hold a big hand. If he flops a draw he likes, he can trap the other villains and, with your help, really pump the pot.

If he flops a draw he doesn't like so much, he will have the odds to draw. Plus, if he backdoors something less obvious than a four-straight, he can trap multiple players for multiple big bets.

I play like this in potentially huge pots all the time.

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850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

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Where in this hand is villain calling 3 cold?

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Pre-flop (see my read) and most likely on the flop. I'm done defending this and I'm going to assume you're all just trying to level me. Enjoy discussing the merits of playing suited connectors for multiple bets.

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Its fine you dont want to debate the hand further. I completely understand.

But from this thread I am 99% convinced that you have at least two leaks in your game you need to look at

a) fold less preflop when players are on tilt or just really LAG. Start calling 2, 3 and even 4 bets rather liberally if the pot is going to get multiway. I am not sure about 98s here. But folding JTs, 55 or AJo would be retarded IMO


b) Fold less postflop. The fact that you want BB to fold the flop here is surprising to me. He has a gut on a 3 suited flop with an extra bd straight draw a bd flush draw and runner runner trips/two pair. He is getting at least 10:1 not to mention he is going to win multiple BB's when he hits since there is a monkey in the hand.

[jba]

AJo <<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;<<<<<<<< 98s