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Old 08-02-2007, 08:42 AM
Herrigel Herrigel is offline
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Default I fold a boat - nl200

opponent is some standard TAG, no reads or history that would matter...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $211.00
BB: $93.83
UTG: $262.15
MP: $208.65
CO: $200.00
BTN: $252.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $7.00, BB folds

Flop: ($18) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, CO calls $12.00

Turn: ($42) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $31.00</font>, CO calls $31.00

River: ($104) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets all-in for $149.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $149.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $104.00
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:50 AM
DontTiltMe DontTiltMe is offline
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

I like this.

Do you think he could push a busted draw? 67d?

If he happens to have AA/KK he shouldn't turn his hand into a bluff when he has showdown value.

I think it's a Q most of the time, maybe a bluff a very small % of the time.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

so [censored] terrible
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

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so [censored] terrible

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what exactly?
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

I advocate never donk betting the flop against a TAG. He's going to cbet this flop most of the time, so go for a standard check/raise ~$40. I don't like checking the turn, as villain could check behind with a queen, trying to conceal his hand in a poor fashion. Bet $70 on the turn: you definitely get him all in if he has a queen, and you fold out all worse hands that he wouldn't play for stacks as a bluff on the river anyway. Your flop line messed it up by allowing to go to the river cheaply. (a donk bet messes everything up 90% of the time, anyway. it's high time you learned it)
As played it's an obvious fold.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:45 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

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I advocate never donk betting the flop against a TAG. He's going to cbet this flop most of the time, so go for a standard check/raise ~$40.

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My thinking was, that on a flop this dry, a c/r pretty much gives your hand away more than anything else and a decent player might get away from TP or OP here.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

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so [censored] terrible

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If you're going to call something '[censored] terrible', you might care to elaborate.

IMO this hand is played perfectly.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

Folding is fine here, I like a check-raise on the flop though.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

bet a bit more on flop turn. if you're going to control the betting, make sure more goes in!

river is perfect.
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Old 08-02-2007, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: I fold a boat - nl200

I would have played this exactly the same. At times I think CRing a set is the way to go but you have to be pretty damn sure that the villain is going to bet which is likely but not a sure thing. Also a CR will show a lot of strenght and may let the villain get off the hand cheaply on the flop where we are presumably huge favourites.
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