Home Game Introduces Rake- I have Concerns

[DavidNB]

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im about to drop like 600$ on a table/chips/cards/chairs to host a weekly game (1/2 NL) and was considering taking a 1$ drop from all hands that see a flop to offset expenses.

there is no official dealer, and i would be providing soft drinks and snacks, byob.

is this an acceptable scenario, or would people be correct in bitching about it/avoiding the game?

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So who gets the table and chips after they are paided for?
Do you plan on drawing names out of the hat?

[swope]

haha, i love that instead of saying "honestly i think its inappropriate to draw rake to offset expenses", i get responses that sound like they came from people who probably left the bed warm in their parents basement this morning.

first off, yes i get the message; rake at a home game is better left unpursued.

second off, some of the people who have home games out here literally have a picnic table in a garage, use plastic chips with no denominations on them (purchased with 'points' at any one of dozens of lower tier poker site stores ldo), and provide seating that the local AA meetings would have trouble justifying.

dropping 600$ to give people a place they *want* to play poker at, providing snacks, cleaning up their messes at the end of the night etc, certainly warrants having *some* form of reciprocation.

i think the tip jar is the best way to go, thanks.

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So who gets the table and chips after they are paided for?

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HOF on so many levels.

[BREWMANCHU]

I understand that home game poker with friends is legal, but OP said in his area it is not.

Also, the games I get into often get very crazy and it's not uncommon for the house to get half the action in one night.Rake plus tips adds up fast. I would not play there if they didn't have so many action gamblers that juice the pot when I hold a monster hand.

[Lottery Larry]

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So who gets the table and chips after they are paided for?
Do you plan on drawing names out of the hat?

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The host does, if he/she contributed money to the expenses just like everyone else. Consider it the fee that players give the host, for NOT charging them to play the game (i.e. rake) and setup/cleanup/running it/recruiting/shopping, etc.

[Lottery Larry]

I'm not a fan of raking a game, especially if the underground card room owners are also playing in the games.

10% up to $3 is semi-reasonable, given the standards in casinos and such. It really depends what you're getting for that $6 or so an hour.

I'd rethink playing there, unless it's really REALLY soft. You may be able to beat it, but it will bleed the weaker players dry and the game along with it, unless there's a LARGE pool of potential players.

[swope]

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I'm not a fan of raking a game, especially if the underground card room owners are also playing in the games.

10% up to $3 is semi-reasonable, given the standards in casinos and such. It really depends what you're getting for that $6 or so an hour.

I'd rethink playing there, unless it's really REALLY soft. You may be able to beat it, but it will bleed the weaker players dry and the game along with it, unless there's a LARGE pool of potential players.

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the absolute limit i would consider raking off ANY pot is 1$. by the end of the night, that would probably come to a total of 80-100$, half of which would used to pay for food with the remaining 40-60$ going to pay for the trouble of keeping the game going, cleaning up, keeping track of everyones money, and generally letting 8 degens [censored] around my living room.

i really dont see why so many people find this to be such a distasteful scenario, especially when other people in our circle of players generally want a 10$ donation from everyone who shows up...

[DavidNB]

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haha, i love that instead of saying "honestly i think its inappropriate to draw rake to offset expenses", i get responses that sound like they came from people who probably left the bed warm in their parents basement this morning.

first off, yes i get the message; rake at a home game is better left unpursued.

second off, some of the people who have home games out here literally have a picnic table in a garage, use plastic chips with no denominations on them (purchased with 'points' at any one of dozens of lower tier poker site stores ldo), and provide seating that the local AA meetings would have trouble justifying.

dropping 600$ to give people a place they *want* to play poker at, providing snacks, cleaning up their messes at the end of the night etc, certainly warrants having *some* form of reciprocation.

i think the tip jar is the best way to go, thanks.

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So who gets the table and chips after they are paided for?

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HOF on so many levels.

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So to look at this another way, if you invite people over to drink, eat your snacks and hang around your house you want to collect money for that?

[Lottery Larry]

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So to look at this another way, if you invite people over to drink, eat your snacks and hang around your house you want to collect money for that?

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Well, there's two OTHER ways to look at it:

We're all not as independantly wealthy as you are, since you can afford to host parties 20-30 times a year

or....

Will you pay for me and a dozen people to come over and take your money..... twice in one night?

[swope]

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haha, i love that instead of saying "honestly i think its inappropriate to draw rake to offset expenses", i get responses that sound like they came from people who probably left the bed warm in their parents basement this morning.

first off, yes i get the message; rake at a home game is better left unpursued.

second off, some of the people who have home games out here literally have a picnic table in a garage, use plastic chips with no denominations on them (purchased with 'points' at any one of dozens of lower tier poker site stores ldo), and provide seating that the local AA meetings would have trouble justifying.

dropping 600$ to give people a place they *want* to play poker at, providing snacks, cleaning up their messes at the end of the night etc, certainly warrants having *some* form of reciprocation.

i think the tip jar is the best way to go, thanks.

ps:

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So who gets the table and chips after they are paided for?

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HOF on so many levels.

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So to look at this another way, if you invite people over to drink, eat your snacks and hang around your house you want to collect money for that?

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if they have vaginas, loose morals, and low self esteems, its on me.

otherwise, i dont know what type of parties youre into dude but in my house, 10 half drunk dudes with questionable hygiene do *not* ride for free.

[wiper]

i remember going to a home game with a friend of a friend...2am, our game broke up, and dude asked if i wanted to go..

we get there, and 8 people are playing, seemed like a decent game. i sit down, first hand, i see KK. long story short, i won a large-ish pot when the turn brought me trips..

so as i'm collecting the chips, the guy whose house it was informed me of the 'house rake'. i kinda shrugged, right up until i see him taking a $5 chip out of the pot, and stacking it onto his stack...

wtf?

not wanting to be the new-guy [censored], but curious, i asked him about it. he said that he rakes every pot 10%, regardless of how big it is, and seeing how the rake was going to him anyway, he just puts it into his stack, 'nobody's ever had a problem before'.

pissed off the guy i came with something major, but i immediately asked to cash out.

bru-haha ensues. 10 people in a room arguing. regulars start to question host after i do. host offers not to put rake directly into his stack, but is still being an ass about it, saying, 'i'm gonna get it anyway, maybe this way it'll ensure i can't lose it back' etc, etc.

last thing i remember saying before leaving was something along the lines of, 'you know you guys can NEVER beat this game, right? and the only person that can possibly win long-term is him??'

2 weeks later, the kid i followed there told me that the game broke up 10 minutes after i left. seems that most of them haven't played long, and didn't realize how bad they had it.