50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street - Page 2

Jeff76 · #11 06-10-2007, 10:37 PM

OK, so we all seem to agree with $15 here.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98.20
UTG+1: $56.70
MP1: $9
CO: $30.90
Button: $23.65
Hero: $52.45
BB: $10

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.5, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $5.5, Button folds, Hero raises to $15, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38.5, 2 players) Hero ???

Now what? I am totally lost in this hand.

oober · #12 06-10-2007, 10:48 PM

Unfortunately w/o reraising pf this makes it tougher. I think I'm ahead of most of his range. Any 2 hearts, 22-AA, 54s. I don't think he his holding AA,KK,QQ, unless a total donk and does not want to protect his holdings against a draw heavy board, thus the flat call leads me to believe, drawing hand,22-1010 is in his holdings.
With 6th best hand in the range I give him credit for. I push and if I'm behind I pay it off and move on. I think I'm ahead more then 70% of the time so.....

raistlinx · #13 06-10-2007, 11:02 PM

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OK, so we all seem to agree with $15 here.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98.20
UTG+1: $56.70
MP1: $9
CO: $30.90
Button: $23.65
Hero: $52.45
BB: $10

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.5, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $5.5, Button folds, Hero raises to $15, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38.5, 2 players) Hero ???

Now what? I am totally lost in this hand.

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Based on your read that he will make loose calls, bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn.

oober · #14 06-10-2007, 11:06 PM

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OK, so we all seem to agree with $15 here.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98.20
UTG+1: $56.70
MP1: $9
CO: $30.90
Button: $23.65
Hero: $52.45
BB: $10

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.5, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $5.5, Button folds, Hero raises to $15, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38.5, 2 players) Hero ???

Now what? I am totally lost in this hand.

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Based on your read that he will make loose calls, bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn.

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2/3pot basically commits you, so why not just push? I mean you gonna call if he reraises anyways so....

Jeff76 · #15 06-10-2007, 11:09 PM

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I don't think he his holding AA,KK,QQ, unless a total donk and does not want to protect his holdings against a draw heavy board

[/ QUOTE ]Do you expect most players to push QQ+ here against a c/r?

I don't think flat calling with one of those hands is a donkish move because what I'm doing looks an awful lot like a set. Of course, given that he is not a great player it's hard to really know what he thinks I have, but I don't think we can rule out an overpair.

The only hands I'm ahead of going into the turn are 77, 88, and a flush draw. I really don't think he calls my c/r with 44 or 55, and I think calling with 77 or 88 is pretty bad (but he's a bad players so these hands are not out of the question).

Here's a range for him- what do you guys think?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.428% 39.47% 00.96% 903 22.00 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 59.572% 58.61% 00.96% 1341 22.00 { 66+, 33-22, AhKh, AhQh, KhQh }

Edited to include the turn card

Jeff76 · #16 06-10-2007, 11:10 PM

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Based on your read that he will make loose calls, bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]I think if I'm betting I'm just pushing.

oober · #17 06-10-2007, 11:18 PM

I think with bad players, I tend to play big pots. I am ahead more times then not. I think you are ahead more then 2 out of 3 times here, so I push all day, if not oh well.

One question, is this a guy you see frequently? If so, I think the info you would gain from this hand would have some value, I dont mind losing a hand like this is it give me more info on someone's play.

Jeff76 · #18 06-10-2007, 11:19 PM

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oober · #19 06-10-2007, 11:22 PM

I think it's definately possible.

raistlinx · #20 06-10-2007, 11:23 PM

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Based on your read that he will make loose calls, bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]I think if I'm betting I'm just pushing.

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The more you bet the more you are going to make worse hands fold. However, I do see your stack sizes now, so I'd bet more like 1/2 the pot. If I push I'm just making it more likely he will play correctly with a worse hand.