AK vs a reraise (concept)

[Josh.]

i'm not quite sure how to handle getting reraised when i'm holding AK. part of me feels like i can't fold such a powerful equity hand, but the other realizes that i'll flop a pair 1/3 of the time, and when i do it's unlikely that more than a flop c-bet will go into the pot unless i'm behind.

standard example (we'll assume 5/10 NL with 1000 stacks for simplicity):

we raise to 35 with AKo, SB (21/15 good TAG) makes it 115, BB folds, and we're being offered 2-1 immediate odds

what's the standard play here? if you choose to call or 4-bet, what's the plan postflop?

how does the situation change if:
<ul type="square">[*]we have AKs rather than AKo?[*]the SB is laggier?[*]we are 3-bet by the button?[*]we are UTG rather than the CO?[*]we opened from the SB?[/list]
i obviously know the broad answer to these, but i'm looking for more detailed answers on how to handle these situations.

thanks

[krishan]

Thank god. I've been waiting for this one. Thanks Josh.

Krishan

[thedustbustr]

josh,

not very detailed response:

I usually fold, both suited and offsuit. if villain is 3betting light I'll call for domination value, and typically c/f flop unimproved.

in a blind battle, it's obviously tremendounsly image dependent, but typically I call, because lots of people like to reraise decent aces if I've been pushing them around.

[JKratzer]

in general i'd call with position and fold oop. also i'm more likely to fold if it's offsuit. when i do call and make tptk i would call the c-bet (or bet myself if checked to). turn action is going to be board/player dependent but generally i treat my hand as being good unless villian does something that really makes me think he's got aa/kk (or something else that now beats me).

tough decisions i agree, i think it helps a lot to be in position and also to call reraises with a wider range of hands, so villian has a more difficult time putting you on ak. if you do it with other hands too then folding just because an a/k flops is going to make them fold the best hand too often. of course if they're not good enough to notice that stuff then don't do it.

jkratzer

[TheWorstPlayer]

Muck is standard except against lagtards.

[aejones]

What you do with AK here is dependent of what you do with other hands. What do you do with 78s here? What do you do with TT? The answer to those questions should often have a large impact on what to do with AK here.

As previously stated, I will often call with position. If villian has been reraising me light (and is laggy) I will four-bet to 450ish often, and usually call a push. My VPIP/PFR is pretty high, so I get reraised often. A lot of aggressive players will notice this and r/r me light (99-AJ and better, I'd imagine [maybe some trash hands too]). Anyways, I will often just take a flop from position. If the raise is less than 10% of my stack, I'll usually take it with any two I would raise with (except face-card-face-card hands and hands that could be potentially dominated). From oop, I just lay it down like a girl. In order to play like this profitably, you have to play well post flop and be willing to get your money in on a lot of draws with FE, and bluff at times too.

As for AKs, I treat it entirely differently. I never fold AKs. Never. It is too good. You can make flushes. You can make straights. You can make high pairs. It is statistically the least likely hand to get in Hold'em. .. OK so I fold it SOMETIMES. But rarely. I will play it stronger, yes, and four-bet with it more often. There isn't really any detail to this, just that it looks very pretty and it widens my four-bet range.

[berserk]

I really hate this situation too, as i don't see 4betting being a great response because if pushed you are probably a dog and if called... you are probably a dog, and you miss 2/3. That said, the implied odds (nonexistant vs a worse hand, beyond a cbet) aren't there for a call, but I usually do it anyway and fold or win a small pot or lose a big pot postflop.

[whitelime]

I think people are being really silly saying they will defend in position but fold OOP. The value of position isn't very significant in this spot unless opponent is super predictable. Also, villain will be more likely to reraise junk in position. If you defend and c/f when you miss, you will lose money against players who will continuation bet almost any flop. You need to bluff Q72 type flops once in a while.

[Big_Jim]

Vs a tight RRer, fold is def standard.

Bad odds to hit, bad implied odds, bad reverse implied odds -&gt; Fold.

Against somebody with a wider range, I mix it up between calling and 4-betting, and rarely, but still occationally, folding. I'm typically more inclined to 4-bet OOP, since you're usually fcked and can't take a free card if you miss.

Against somebody who RRs a bit light, you actually might have good implied odds with it when you both pair up vs his AQ/KQ or whatever.

It's pretty tough to fold TPGK in a RRed pot.

[krishan]

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Vs a tight RRer, fold is def standard.

Bad odds to hit, bad implied odds, bad reverse implied odds -&gt; Fold.

Against somebody with a wider range, I mix it up between calling and 4-betting, and rarely, but still occationally, folding. I'm typically more inclined to 4-bet OOP, since you're usually fcked and can't take a free card if you miss.

Against somebody who RRs a bit light, you actually might have good implied odds with it when you both pair up vs his AQ/KQ or whatever.

It's pretty tough to fold TPGK in a RRed pot.

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It seems like pushing would have a higher EV than calling and hoping to hit a flop against someone who you think has a wider range. Do you ever push?

Krishan