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Old 09-26-2007, 08:22 AM
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Default [NL50] 3betting light iP

Hi,
my NL50 FR players w/ 100BB or more are mostly weak tight. So I started 3betting light on them when I have position. (BU or CO). Sometimes I get a 4bet or the BB wakes up w/ AA. But mostly I get the pot right away or on the flop.
Here is a hand I'd like to get some feedback.
Am I just on aggro tilt or is this reasonable?

We both have ~$75, villian seems to be TAG.

Hero in on the button w/ Tc7c
Villian raises from mid
Hero reraises to $6
call

flop($14): 9h 7s 6s
Villian bets $13
Hero calls (?)

turn($41) 9h 7s 6s 3s
Villian checks
Hero instapush $46?
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

Any reads on villain? If not I guess I have to say that this line looks pretty bad to me. Leaving out the PF raise (I think its spew but why not mixing it up a little IP), I think you played it really bad postflop.
Why did you call the flop? 1)Planning on representing a flush if it comes in? 2)Hoping to hit one of your 5 outs?
I guess reason 1) makes more sense but why the hell would you instapush then, it looks sooooo suspicious! Have you ever played a flush like that if you made it?
Sorry, but hand seems badly butchered to me. No offense of course!
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

you'r right. I called on the flop for both reasons:
1.) bluff a flush or maybe str8
2.) hit my 2p, trips or gutshot (9 outs)

well, how much would you bet on the turn if you have made a flush?

PS: no problem, I know this hand is FPS ^^
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

spewtastic.

What was the size of the initial pfr? If it was 2+ or had any other limpers/callers, I'd definitely raise more pf. Biggest problem in the hand to me is calling the flop. If that is how you would normally play a (non-light) 3bet pot, then its somewhat less bad. If you're going to play it, shove the flop, otherwise give up and muck.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

If you can pick your spots, I like preflop. T7s may be a bit thin, I prefer SCs and one-gappers. Plus I would recommend making your standard 3-bet a little bigger. Possibly even more than a PSB. I find the sooner you make it known that you're playing for stacks the more folds you will get. Plus, if you make the big raises with T7s you can do it with AA as well = $$$.

Donkbet on the flop tells me he flopped an overpair. I don't think you have much FE, so I think the proper play is a fold. That said, if you want to mix it up sometimes and peel I don't have a problem. I think your 5 pair outs are good, plus the 4 for the gutshot, makes me think this is a good time to see another card, actually.

Shoving was NOT my instinct at all, but once I look at the play its great. As I have him for an overpair, you now have a ton of FE, plus probably 6 or so outs even if you're called.

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Old 09-26-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

Oh yeah, missed the gut shot, sorry!

I'd make a normal size bet on the turn, something in the range of 25 - 30. Villain should realize that your commited now. As mentionend though, if you ever played a big hand like that this might be a good spot to bluff at it by shoving.

As you mentionend FPS yourself: when you want to lift that to top of the hill FPS, you check behind and shove any river bet. Villain has to think then that you slowplayed your flush, but maybe that is completely over the top and I don't think I have the balls to make such a play... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:44 PM
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don't give me bad ideas [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

yes, betting $25 to $30 would have been _much_ better. I'd seldom play a turned flush that way. Actually I planned on _raising_ any turn spade. (when I can raise more then the min.) The check surprised me so much that I just instapushed. (I like Caro's statement that fast bets/raises are less likely to be called)

Another idea on 3betting light. Would you rather 3b with:
- Axs and Kxs or
- 54+, 64s+ ?
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

SCs 100%
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

Axs and Kxs are easily dominated hands and are junk.

SCs can flop hidden monsters.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: [NL50] 3betting light iP

what about the reduced chance for villian having AA or KK?
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