Meta-Game Trade-off : Making a bad call in exchange for image

[franknagaijr]

Let me put in a theoretical scenario, to see if anything gels. Forgive the vagueness of this hand description, there is a point here.

Hero is in an MTT, and we are within sight of the bubble. Hero makes an obv button steal with non-stellar cards. Let's say the BB calls the raise, and has at least as many chips as hero. Hero flops a draw and makes a 1/2 pot c-bet, and Villain puts hero all-in.

1) What is the weakest draw the hero should call with, assuming about 2 to 1 pot odds.
2) If doubling up makes hero the table big stack during the prime blind-stealing hour, should hero be willing to lower calling standards in this spot, and by how much?

Does that clarify the original question?

[ShiptheMonies]

I have never done this during a tournament. However, in the cash games at my local casino I will often drop a couple of buy ins, espceally if there are a few good solid players at my table. I don't think there is enough value doing this in tournaments.

[drzen]

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maniacs win big hands b/c a) everyone hits a hand sometimes b) bad players pay them off

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If they really are maniacs, don't good players have to pay them off sometimes too?

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this is trivially true. even so, only a very small % of the time, b/c they only hit hands a small % of the time

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Yes. But you expect them to have trash when you play against them, so they have an advantage in being well disguised when they have something. Which is what the OP is afraid of.

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edit: also, note that i'm talking about big pots. sure, good players will dump hands that may be good in smaller pots against a maniac, but when all the money goes in they will be winning the pot the vast majority of the time.

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Well, they ought to be.

[drzen]

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Let me put in a theoretical scenario, to see if anything gels. Forgive the vagueness of this hand description, there is a point here.

Hero is in an MTT, and we are within sight of the bubble. Hero makes an obv button steal with non-stellar cards. Let's say the BB calls the raise, and has at least as many chips as hero. Hero flops a draw and makes a 1/2 pot c-bet, and Villain puts hero all-in.

1) What is the weakest draw the hero should call with, assuming about 2 to 1 pot odds.
2) If doubling up makes hero the table big stack during the prime blind-stealing hour, should hero be willing to lower calling standards in this spot, and by how much?

Does that clarify the original question?

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1/ A flush draw.
2/ You might be willing to call with an openender. Maybe a gutter and two overs depending on the board and what your overs actually are. I think you're giving up too much if you call with less than that.

It wasn't unclear to begin with. This is not a metagame tradeoff though. This is simply a question whether you will take the worst of it now because you feel that you will gain more from future hands. You could call it "implied blindstealing".