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Old 11-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Phoenix1010 Phoenix1010 is offline
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Default Re: One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!

I think he folds a jack plenty, but I didn't notice the stacks have a little extra depth. I defer to your analysis.
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Old 11-30-2006, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!

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Old 11-30-2006, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!

I'd probably just push the flop.
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Old 11-30-2006, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!

Were you planning on pushing just about any non-J turn? If that's the case, then fine/sure/whatever. He'll probably fold and you've got outs if he doesn't. This has the benefit of getting an extra round of betting from whatever hand he's got if he's going to fold.

However, it's 3 handed. He's got to take a stand at some point, and felting AJ here isn't awful if that's what he's got, though clearly the 3 is a great card for you. I think if you call the flop and push the turn with your other monsters as well, that's fine, but the problem is that you're going to get into a lot of situations 3 handed where you get checkraised on the flop, and sometimes you're going to have to 3bet him. As long as you do that occasionally, I think your play here is fine.
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Old 11-30-2006, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!

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3-betting this flop kinda sucks in my opinion, for a few reasons:
1) he won't fold many better hands

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Of course, because only sets and two pair and KsQs are better hands.

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2) i'll often end up on the bad side of a 60/40 or worse "coinflip" with a better hand.

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I disagree. You're only worse than 60/40 against a set(1x99, 3x33, 3xJJ, but JJ must be discounted) or J9s(2 combos). You're about 50:50 or better against everything else.

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3) i've got position and there are still stacks behind, why not take advantage of it?

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Your implied odds aren't great and you may have terrible reverse implied odds if he has a higher flush draw.
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Old 11-30-2006, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!

yeah this looks good (lol overcallers pf trying to get value). this deep, i think waiting until the turn is almost necessary
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