Rockies fans are gonna be pissed. Braun Wins ROY

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why the irrational hate for jimmy rollins by people? position adjusted he is the most valuable player on the phillies going forward, yet everybody blows howard and utely.

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I down with the TT love but is this a typo?

Utley crushes Rollins at the bat, even giving Rollins the positional boost, and Utley is a better 2b than Rollins is a SS. Or if you want to add in the positional adjustment on defense, then Rollins is little more valuable defensively but Utley crushes him as a hitter.

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im going w PECOTA on this one.

[J.R.]

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[ok genius whats the best position adjusted 'available' metric for discussing players overall worth?

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Super Linear Weights or some variant has been the correct answer for quite some time.

WARP blows, even Nate Silver admits that

[J.R.]

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im going w PECOTA on this one.

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Read the link above, Warp is crap, hence MORP is crap.

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im going w PECOTA on this one.

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Read the link above, Warp is crap, hence MORP is crap.

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ok he beats him by like a win over the next four seasons (supervorp).


still, rollins gets the shaft big time when discussing those two. they are virtual equals in terms of overall worth.

[Thremp]

I'm with sublime. TT was amazing this year. Huge outlier. he got jobbed.

[sublime]

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[ok genius whats the best position adjusted 'available' metric for discussing players overall worth?

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Super Linear Weights or some variant has been the correct answer for quite some time.

WARP blows, even Nate Silver admits that

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thing is superlwts isnt a WA metric....unless i just dont have the data source.

calling WARP crap is harsh. its still better than your basic OPS or OPS+ crap and thats what the majority use.

[Pudge714]

Sublime,
Without injuries Utley is clearly better than Rollins, the injury is the only thing that made it closish.

TT> Braun, but it isn't a like Colon over Santana or Morneau > Jeter/Mauer for MVP.

[Vyse]

ppl like sublime are why no one likes statheads lololol

[dkgojackets]

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So I dids some research on the warps and saw hanley ramirez has a higher warp1 and warp3 and the same warp2 as tulowitzki.

So is this a good stat or not? Obv must fail because you said tulowitzki should be mvp over hanley, amirite?

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QFT

Either admit the stat you want to use is wrong or your contention that Tulowitzki > Ramirez is wrong.

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honestly, tulowtizki would be a better M V P candidate than ramirez.

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[sublime]

JFC

TT saved 35 runs with his defense

HR cost his team 35 with his

wtf is wrong with you people?