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#1
09-07-2007, 08:52 PM
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Big draw/wierd turn spot
Seems slightly loose over a very limited sample
5 players Converter Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BT raises</font>, Hero calls. Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.33SB, 2 players) Hero checks, BT checks. Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (1.67BB, 2 players) Hero... no sb 
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#4
09-07-2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: Big draw/wierd turn spot
Villains turn check is going to be hard to interpret. It may have alot to do with how aggressively you have been playing and how villain views you. Not wanting to be put in a semi-bluff situation with overcards for example.
I just check that card. More in his range and you're not getting much in the way of odds on a bet EDIT: Obviously I meant Villians flop check
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#5
09-08-2007, 12:08 AM
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Re: Big draw/wierd turn spot
seems like a super easy check/call to me. the problem is even when he doesn't have the ace he's going to pretend that he does.
also it looks like they handle the missing sb just fine. assuming I'm reading the hh right -- he just paid the bb? as long as he can't come back in for free before his bb. stars handles it much worse, they would have you be the sb this hand.
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#6
09-08-2007, 12:38 AM
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Re: Big draw/wierd turn spot
I think it's close to a bet/call. Yes, the pot is small, but our equity is so good we don't really mind getting raised here. We only need to take the pot down a small percent of the time to show a profit and there's no reason to think button is near certain to have a piece of the board. And because it's such a small pot, button has little reason to make a play at it or call down without a pair.
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#8
09-08-2007, 07:09 AM
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Re: Big draw/wierd turn spot
This draw is huge!
Even Hu bet and raise from flopp and onwards, I see no reason to c/r or c/c here. I too believe that this spot is more important in regards to balancing a playbook , then a pf one, as you need to play this as wou would a good few other hands that are already made imo, even more so because its a bob Stokken
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#9
09-09-2007, 06:48 AM
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Re: Big draw/wierd turn spot
Wow! nice draw! it depends on the lineup how I think this hand should be played, if the players are passive you should raise this draw to grow the pot since they will probably just call you, if they are agressive and you can suspect a raise if you bet, then the check/call line would be more valuble since a raise to you hurt your odds, and you are out of position and cannot raise for a free card, to bet the ace on the turn is probably bad since BT raised pre-flop and is most likely holding an ace, and you might get raised, just call is fine
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#10
09-09-2007, 08:29 AM
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Re: Big draw/wierd turn spot
we need him to fold to a bet roughly 20% of the time to make a turn donk better than c/c. i'd venture a guess that he folds around 25% of the time in this spot. so choosing between b/c and c/c, i'd go with b/c. but i don't know which is better, b/c or c/r. the c/r is more credible, but two conditions are required for it to work:
1. he needs to bet if we check 2. he must not have a made hand, so that he's willing to fold on the turn or river it's pretty hard for me to evaluate the probability of these events and so i have no idea how the EV compares with the b/c line. EDIT: actually, i doubt he folds to a c/r more often than to a donk. if that's true, the donk is clearly better as we invest less in our semi-bluff.
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