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Killingbird · #1 09-10-2007, 12:02 PM

Coming in 3/9.

KILLINGBIRD

Killingbird · #2 09-10-2007, 12:56 PM

First for $267.30

Unfortunatley the guy i was playing heads up got disconnected. I stalled for 5-10 minutes or so...felt guilty, but I have to leave here at 1, so it was either knock him out, or let him do it to me when he got back.

Not really the way I wanted to win, but...

By the time we finished he was probably disconncted 10-15 minutes...so not sure what the heck happened to him.

MJBuddy · #3 09-10-2007, 01:07 PM

I (almost) hope this situation never happens to me. I really would feel horrible about stealing away first place.

That said, I've gotten HU vs some asshats before and I wouldn't flinch at tearing into them.

So I'm not sure where I stand ethically on the practice, because "Well I'd do it to an asshat" isn't an ethical excuse.

Killingbird · #4 09-10-2007, 01:11 PM

i've had it happen at Sit N Gos before where we are both basically short stacked and for some reason in those cases it seemed ok. but in this case we both had 25-30BBs.

Im not sure what the "ethical standard" is....exactly how long is proper to wait. 10 minutes? 30 minutes? An hour?

BigAlK · #5 09-10-2007, 01:47 PM

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Im not sure what the "ethical standard" is....exactly how long is proper to wait. 10 minutes? 30 minutes? An hour?

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I remember a long contentous thread around this issue a year or more ago. (Probably around the same time as the whole ZeeJustin fiasco since it kicked off a bunch of ethics discussion.) There were people on both extremes and everywhere in between.

Since this was on Full Tilt your opponent had 90 seconds to reconnect with their new enhancement (unless he has had connection problems prior to this). I'm not sure what I'd do. If someone on your immediate left disconnects mid-tournament in a non-heads-up situation do you refrain from stealing his blind if it folds to you in the SB? Do you attempt to stall to give him a chance to reconnect? Should how you react here be different when it's heads up? Is stealing chips (and thus EV) different in either situation. The amount of EV you're stealing shouldn't change the ethics of the situation anymore than what you think of the opponent ("if he's an "asshat") should. If you stall to give him additional time to reconnect and fold your small blind to him each time (since he'll automatically be folding his to you) this will keep the chip stacks about the same. But how about if you know that you play better deeper stacked than he does. Is waiting 5 or 10 minutes while the blinds go up at least one level equitable? Is this something that is inherent in playing on the internet and a risk we all take? Paging Siro11.

Personally I try to be as ethical as possible in everything I do. But in this situation I'm not really sure what's right. I don't know if I'd wait beyond his time bank or not. I think I'd be more likely to if the money was more significant or I liked the guy (yes, this means my ethics in practice might not meet my goals).

Congrats on the win regardless.

Killingbird · #6 09-10-2007, 02:38 PM

thanks for the congrats. you bring up many good points. i sure don't have the answer...I'd love to hear Bonds thoughts since he had a situation kind of like this last night (one time it screwed him)...another time he stalled to give his opponent time to get back on...but it only took a few minutes in that case.