Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG

[sethypooh21]

I think folding PF is just fine, though it depends on how SD bound villain is, the more foldy he gets post flop, obviously the better the 3bet becomes. But against a generic good playing lagtag (if such a thing exists) any edge you squeeze out by 3-betting is VERY marginal (even if you have an EQ edge, it's thin, an you are OOP in a very strong RIO situation). Maybe it's a function of running bad, but I think that cutting marginal OOP 3-bets like this out have helped me restore both my results and my sanity.

[numbnuts007]

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I think folding PF is just fine, though it depends on how SD bound villain is, the more foldy he gets post flop, obviously the better the 3bet becomes. But against a generic good playing lagtag (if such a thing exists) any edge you squeeze out by 3-betting is VERY marginal (even if you have an EQ edge, it's thin, an you are OOP in a very strong RIO situation). Maybe it's a function of running bad, but I think that cutting marginal OOP 3-bets like this out have helped me restore both my results and my sanity.

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This 3 bet is not OOP, we're on the button.

[DeathDonkey]

To be fair mr. poohbear, we are in position. Still I think ATo is just super marginal. AJo I 3 bet of course but I don't really love it.

-DeathDonkey

[sethypooh21]

Oh FFS, why can I not read a hand history? Yeah ATo, bombs away. I think I check to induce river bluff. If you're ahead, he's drawing way thin, so the free card hurts not so much, and I HATE to get C/R on this turn, because can you really fold a decent sized pot to a thinking LAGTAG?

[Oink]

FWIW I dont 3-bet AJo against a 25/18 UTG

Btw when I quote stats they are filtered for 5-6 handed. I prolly should have said that.

I am guessing 44, K7s, A7o, Q9s, 98s is in his UTG range.

I'd be tempted to 3-bet A9o here.

[Tryptamean]

Preflop, I never know what I'm going to do in this spot until I do it, so whatever.

I think this is a pretty interesting spot tho. I lean towards checking because I don't see enough value in a bet. Oink thinks he will call down with Kx. against a lot of players you will get 1 or zero big bets out of with that hand, but Oink would know more than me.

If I had the nut flush draw, I'd lean towards betting cuz my freeroll equity vs another Ax is better. Just doesnt seem like you will get called by worse enough to make it worth it with only a gutshot freeroll.

[inferno]

ill 3bet anybody and check this turn yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw

[Oink]

Ok thx guys

I posted it because when I played the hand it seemed like an easy turn check

River was a J and he showed up up K7cc for the loose open and loose flop peel. I lost half the pot and felt kinda dumb.

I then realized pretty much what trypta said: Not much value in a bet, however his range is so skewed towards Kx, low pp, Ax and fd's that maybe I should bet to protect my hand from chopping and to get that little value.


Dunno. I am still not convinced. Tho I am glad so many of you said check as that what I did.

[timoK]

easie 3-bet preflop.

a normal LagTag with 35/25 (like me) raises UTG with more than top 20% (like 23%)
your equity:
vs 20% = 51.5%
vs 23% = 53.4%
vs 18.6% = 50%

+ dead blind money
+ in position

in you hand I just check behind on turn and call any river (or bet if checked to)
betting dont knock out an hand you that has you beaten.
however from my point of view betting charges drawing hands less than you would gain by bluff bets on the river by busted draws and low pocket pairs.

[Oink]

I am a 35/25 as well for 5-6 handed. My UTG range is about 20%

Against me:


<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

386,980,704 games 0.047 secs 8,233,632,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.425% 46.04% 03.38% 178172648 13093637.00 { 44+, A5s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 50.575% 47.19% 03.38% 182620782 13093637.00 { AcTd }
</pre><hr />


@ Timo

You raise 23% UTG?

I found out I was 30/20 6-handed and 40/30 5-handed. Maybe I can add a bit more UTG. Dunno, but my default range is the one I used in the stove. Do you mind sharing yours?