Mason... Sir,

[VP$IP]

Perhaps it is time to amend the Terms and Conditions of the 2+2 forum. That might make this a little less personal.

[LesJ]

<<<It should be evident that TE, who has indeed worked very hard, has done that hard work not for the direct benefit of 2p2 as a commercial entity, but for the benefit of the PPA.>>>>

Do you really believe this? You sincerely believe that The Engineer has done all the work he has done over the last year simply for the benefit of the PPA as an organization?

Ah. . .the good ole days have returned. Every "last post" in every thread in this forum belongs to BluffThis again. . . and they all say basically the same thing.

Les

[Lostit]

Bluff,

Only recently did TE become involved with the PPA. I believe your point about all his hard work to be for the benefit of the PPA to be incorrect. Thats not the point of this thread.

We can agree to disagree on this also, but I simply believe in not cutting your nose off despite your face.

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Do you really believe this? You sincerely believe that The Engineer has done all the work he has done over the last year simply for the benefit of the PPA as an organization?

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You mean he really has been working to up page views so Mason makes more from his advertisers? Wow, Mason sure is an ingrate!

[Berge20]

Les, I'm glad you pointed that out because I totally agree with you.

Whatever one may think of the PPA or such, lord knows Engineer has been working hard for poker players for a year--well before ever considering getting involved with the PPA. Bluff can make some good points, but he's way off on this one.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Everyone:

Our compromise concerning TE is now in place and he is free to post again. The PPA representative who we occasionally deal with (and who will remain anonymous) agrees that "it's a good solution."

Best wishes,
Mason

[LesJ]

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You mean he really has been working to up page views so Mason makes more from his advertisers? Wow, Mason sure is an ingrate!

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Nor did I ever make such an assertion, Bluff. You may have a bazillion posts and you may be witty in your belittling of Tuff Fish, but neither of these facts make your arguments any more valid.

Les

[oldbookguy]

I agree 100%, in-fact working on local issues a few years back when I headed the local Historic Economic Group, the same here, turf wars and all chiefs, no Indians.

I privatly invited each head to dinner, on me, all at the same time and place, telling no one.

Well, it was hairy at first, then, well, we all walked out together and on the same page.

obg


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What bothers me is most companies at least pretend to care about their customers. Mason comes off as a very unpleasant guy.

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Actually while he is a little stiff, he does have as do others some valid concerns.

Personally I'd like to lock "them" all in a room for a week and not let them out untill they have figured out their turf wars and just get on with the "movement."

All this talk of control and time outs makes me think there are too many only childs and yougests making all the demands while the rest of us have to clean up the messes.


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[kailua]

Following passage of the UIGEA and a brief delay attributed to a globe trotting attorney, I believe that Mason and David were quite explicit in expressing their stance (to the consternation of many) that internet gambling was not necessarily an activity they felt compelled to endorse.

Those of you who expect, or feel that you are somehow “owed” more than a neutral PPA position from 2+2 because of your patronage have romanticized this forum and its function.

Mason stands to reap financial gain from the success of the PPA’s agenda, yet due to ethical principles does not aid their cause by actively lending his support or name cachet to enhance the organization’s legitimacy.

Agree with him or not, his actions have been consistent and are deserving of respect.

[TheEngineer]

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Here's my last post in this exchange. It should be evident that TE, who has indeed worked very hard, has done that hard work not for the direct benefit of 2p2 as a commercial entity, but for the benefit of the PPA. Even though 2p2 benefits in the long run from the goals of the PPA, it should be clear to all that the PPA benefits more from the TE's efforts. So it should be the PPA, and TE, who should be more willing to give here.

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LMFAO. I don't do this for PPA or for 2+2. I'm not employed by either entity. I do it because we should fight for our rights as poker players. It's that simple. I'm glad you and Mason are having fun playing politics over this, but it's not doing [censored] for us. I hate to break this to you, but I look at the top 100 enemies of ours, Allyn Shulman isn't on the list. We have real enemies, you know. That's where our focus needs to be.

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Also, as you imply, 2p2 does have global rules for everyone. If Mason makes an exception here, even though seemingly justified, he will doubtless be asked to make other exceptions which clearly aren't justified. So just as with any organization, the best policy long term is simply to have rules that apply equally to all. That may not be absolutely fair in discrete instances, but it will be perceived as fair by the majority of members/users.

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I agree...there should be one set of rules. However, there is no rule mandating everyone who happens to be on the board of any organization must sign each post. It's some new, made-up [censored]. Jay Cohen, TruePoker CEO, and many others don't sign their names. Bryan and John Pappas do because they represent PPA. I don't. WTF is so difficult about that? Now, apparently, I don't have to sign each post with my name and title.

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Either TE will choose to make note that he is speaking his own views in each of his posts, or he won't. It just depends on what is most important to him and how important he views 2p2 as being to the success of the PPA.

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I don't have to do [censored]. Again, my issue isn't the success of the PPA. It's the success of the movement. Forget it...I feel like I'm talking to a wall.