Live pot-limit deep stack adjustments (10-max)

[iSTRONG]

I'm a successful online $2/$4 6-max NL player and have recently started playing live at my local casino.

I'm finding it quite difficult to adjust however. The game is 2/4 Pot-Limit hold'em 10-max and it plays faily deep. 200BBs average and can hit 400BBs+ in the late hours.

It also plays real strange. there is on average 7 people seeing each flop and they almost always limp. If you raise limpers, they will always call (unless there is a raise and a reraise in which case they *might* fold). They are also atrocious postflop (extremely loose passive).

I'm not sure how i should be adjusting my preflop play? Like raising AK/AA UTG seems useless because it narrows down my hand too much and I'll get 5-6 callers anyways, then i have to play a big pot out of position against complete morons. Also, I tried punishing the limpers by raising speculative hands in late position but once everyone calls and the pot is $200 preflop, suddenly 87s is not looking that great anymore.

Is the right adjustment to join the donkfest and start limping all sorts in late position and play postflop poker? and limp specualtive hands HU because I'm pretty sure it won't get raised and even if it does, 5-6 people will call the raise? I'm finding it hard to believe that the strategy to beat the donkfest is to join the donkfest... help!

[Unknown Soldier]

what casino?


def raise AK/AA utg for value, pointless disguising your hand range against the players you described.

Limp behind speculative hands in LP after 3 or more limpers, probably raise if just 2, def raise if 1(depends on how much FE you have post when you whiff), and play post flop.

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It's a random little casino in Bristol full of regulars who play v. strange poker. They also all seem to play the same way, I guess they've rubbed off on each other.

You happy to raise AK and play it out of position against 6-7 people who could have *anything*? I mean, unless I hit two pairs+ I'm not gonna be too happy...

I guess the only hands that I'm gonna wanna play in early position for a raise is hands that I'm gonna know where I'm at when the flop hits, ie: 22-AA, Axs.

And then limp all sorts of connecting hands on the button. And raise all broadways in late position... does that make sense?

[pzhon]

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You happy to raise AK and play it out of position against 6-7 people who could have *anything*?

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Yes. I like money. Every dollar I put will return a lot more than $1 when people are playing garbage.

They didn't come to the casino to fold. They are willing to pay to see whether this is the magic 772 flop. Charge them before they see that they missed.

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I mean, unless I hit two pairs+ I'm not gonna be too happy...


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I'd be quite happy to hit TPTK. It's not the nuts, and neither is two pair, but it means I should win a huge pot over half of the time, and I'm not going to put in anything close to half of the money.

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I guess the only hands that I'm gonna wanna play in early position for a raise is hands that I'm gonna know where I'm at when the flop hits, ie: 22-AA, Axs.

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No, you don't "know where you are at" with those hands. Are you going to throw away QQ on an 872r flop because you didn't hit a set? Will you assume you are toast with A8s on a AJ9 flop? How does bottom set look on a 532 monotone flop? Your opponents are playing any two cards, not two cards that can magically turn into anything. Play poker, and be willing to pay off a little in exchange for winning some huge pots without a hand in the top 1%.

[Unknown Soldier]

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It's a random little casino in Bristol full of regulars who play v. strange poker. They also all seem to play the same way, I guess they've rubbed off on each other.

You happy to raise AK and play it out of position against 6-7 people who could have *anything*? I mean, unless I hit two pairs+ I'm not gonna be too happy...

I guess the only hands that I'm gonna wanna play in early position for a raise is hands that I'm gonna know where I'm at when the flop hits, ie: 22-AA, Axs.

And then limp all sorts of connecting hands on the button. And raise all broadways in late position... does that make sense?

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whats it called? yeah im still happy w/ AK, and im happy if i hit TP against these droolers, think of it like a sng when that happens. You're gonna get sucked out on q. a bit, but it's definitely +EV. The lp broadways are quite close, think i'd be more inclined to limp the lower ones, think i'd have to raise KQ/KJs/KTs regardless though. It all depends on the FE you have pf and post flop against them, and the way they play after you raise. e.g do they check to you alot if you've raised? 3 limpers and i'll raise most of them, more and i'd have to consider the players involded. If you have hardly any FE then raising w/o premiums/pps in any position seems pretty pointless. min-raising pps/scs to build a pot could be good here.



They have a £200nl cash game at the traingle every night i think, no rake they deal themselves. I railed for 10 mins looked soft. Gonna sit when im back in bristol

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The casino is Stanleys. Same crowd as the Triangle. Self-dealt as well, and no rake.

You basically have no FE preflop. If they've limped they will always call a raise. They will also sometimes cold-call a raise and a reraise after they've limped (lol). They will then donkbet if they hit the flop. They almost never check-raise. it's either donkbet or check-call.

Just a real strange game. If i were to play any of them HU, I'd destroy them. Or even short handed. But I'm finding it difficult to battle 7-8 people on each hand... Shame they won't agree to play NL... Although i have an idea why [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[creedofhubris]

Buy in shorter, pot it pre with AQ+ JJ+, get it in with an overpair/TP?

[Unknown Soldier]

just variance iSTRONG, you will be crushing them in the long run i can assure you. It's just the long run in live poker is [censored] ages!


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They almost never check-raise. it's either donkbet or check-call.


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haha that's awesome, wish that was like a standard 400nl game online

[iSTRONG]

tbh, I've been doing alright in the games... just not as good as I thought i should. When I first saw the level of play I couldn't hide my joy; I'm just kinda disappointed that I'm not destroying the game. I guess, as you said, the long run is *real* long when you 1-tabling at 15 hands per hour...

Unknown Soldier, where are you from? u in bristol often?

[Unknown Soldier]

Manchester, but go to uni in bristol. Final year coming up. Live near the students union.