How to throw Poker HUD users off?

[Foghatlive]

You'll still be able to use PT, but only in the games in which you're playing.

Datamining refers to using PT on "observed" tables.

[Cooder]

Datamining means pokertracker 95%+ of the time. AFAIK, no sites ban it, but I'm not sure "outlawed" is really the correct term for it on party since the Beta simply makes it impossible to do via the current methods (they no longer make the HHs available to observers). However with that in mind I wouldn't be surprised to see Party ban the use of programs that get around this restriction.

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Re: the PartyPoker Beta version. If you join a table but are sitting out can you get data? If so I could see a lot of people at tables that aren’t playing.

Cood

[BigEasy6]

Good overall advice, Bang584. Everyone should vary their play several times during a session. If you are a good player, you will adjust your optimum playing strategy depending on your opponents at that time. I would think this would limit the HUD user's ability to predict your exact playing style.

[Rudbaeck]

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Re: the PartyPoker Beta version. If you join a table but are sitting out can you get data? If so I could see a lot of people at tables that aren’t playing.

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Nope, have to be dealt in.

[dfan]

Here is an example of how you might do this:

The other day, I had just started playing against an opponent who I had a stats history on from observed tables. My HUD said he had a very high "bet flop" stat (over 50%). I was multitabling and wasn't paying close attention to his play, but based on this stat I figured the guy was a loose maniac who bluffed a lot. So I was surprised when my usual "counter-maniac" strategies (raising them, calling them down, etc.) didn't work. Confused I finally decided to really pay attention. That's when I noticed that he often would make teeny-tiny tiny bets on the flop ($2 into a $20 pot). These "betlets" gave him misleading and inflated "maniac" bet-flop stats that belied his overall solid play. So that would be one strategy for creating a false impression with your stats at least for NL cash games.

[_TKO_]

Change your name.

[stigmata]

Some suggestions:

1) Change your name as often as possible

2) Have multiple accounts / swap accounts with friends who normally play a different game

3) Don't worry about it -- your there to make money from the fish, who cares if it's a zero-sum game with the other TAGs?

4) At high stakes with a relatively low rake, play "goofy" preflop (e.g. DERB / BigBab style). I fear this is easier said that done!

[donkeyradish]

My thoughts:

1) I don't know who is using PokerAce Hud or similar

2) But I use it all the time

3) And nobody can tell that I'm using it

4) I forgot what the question was?

[12AX7]

Well DonkeyRadish,
One of my beefs with HUDs is that you cannot see who's using them. That and you have to buy them from a third party, which reaks of selling picks and shovels to prospectors. (They say more money was made selling supplies to 49ers than the gold that was extracted.)

In area casino, if I wheeled in a computer that could read cards and calculate a players tendencies in real time, everyone could see it in use. That is if the casino didn't confiscate it.

So I think at the very least, if the online casinos can detect it... they should flag it on the table for all to know.

Now PokerAce will say something along the lines of, "What, should a PokerAce HUD user have to have a label on then saying "I'm a good player"???"

To which I reply, that's hipocricy. So it's OK to buy a tool to plaster "FISH" on someone else, but not "SHARK" on the user?

To me real time analysis software violates the one person to a seat rule in spirit because the calculation abilities of a software engineer and CPU are in the seat too.

Some will try to argue that books violate that rule to. I disagree. With book, you have to read it, and use your own "CPU" (aka brain) to apply it.

If autofolders are banned, seems to me the precedent for "thinking" software is already set.

Further having HUD is like having a purchased, upgraded GUI.

So if HUDS are consider an OK GUI, doesn't the casino have a duty to make the playing table a level field and distribute that interface to everyone?

And well, if everyone had a HUD GUI telling them how to be a TAG... then only The Rake would make a profit. Well, and of course the HUD marketers.

So, seems to me the Pro stance on HUDs, for the longevity of poker as a career should be to ban them.

[r0eKY]

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In addition, data-mining, for all intents and purposes has become outlawed (Party's new Beta isn't allowing it).


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this is bad news
this means i can't find the tables with the donks and sit 2 the left of them as ez



[/ QUOTE ](they no longer make the HHs available to observers).

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if pt collected everyones stats in one big file every player could share one anothers info

PT would have 2 report back 2 its site every night and update the library, sharing everyones info