QJs got there on river

orange · #1 10-31-2007, 10:52 PM

Villan seems taggish. We had another hand on the same table where he raised pf, I called his c-bet with a gutty in pos, then he doubled the turn and I folded. Other than that he hasn't done a whole lot and neither have I.

6-max 1/2NL $200 effective

PF: 1 fold, Villan opens $7, all fold to me on the button, I call $7 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], blinds fold.

($17) Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villan bets $12, I call $12

($41) Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villan bets $31, Hero calls $31

($103) River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villan checks, Hero bets $88.

eh?

nazahl · #2 10-31-2007, 10:53 PM

seems a little heavy to me

orange · #3 10-31-2007, 10:54 PM

mainly q-ing bet sizing.

Jay Riall · #4 10-31-2007, 10:55 PM

I'd make it like $66

pineapple888 · #5 10-31-2007, 11:02 PM

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Yeah. maybe even a little less.. I think it's a pretty thin spot, so less is better (more likely to get called light, lose less when you are behind). I really don't think you can try to get a better hand to fold here.

SABR42 · #6 10-31-2007, 11:10 PM

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Any 1-pair hand better than QJ is check/calling for sure.

There is some value against JJ/TT/9x though. I'd bet less on the river.

Sancho · #7 10-31-2007, 11:11 PM

yes, a valuebet about 60 seems best. what about raising flop or turn, does anyone like it?

jacbmw · #8 10-31-2007, 11:45 PM

prob a little out of my depth here, i see your hand as a decent amount of showdown value, but i see the only hands you are beating that may call this are JJ and TT on the river. Folding the slim chance of AK, and getting C/r from sets.

Is the C/R out of the question for him on the river?

Would he have played a set like this?

If he would, i would be betting 1/2 pot VB.

Paul Thomson · #9 10-31-2007, 11:59 PM

I'd often raise the flop and if i didn't raise the flop, I'm almost always raising the turn

Paul Thomson · #10 11-01-2007, 12:02 AM

after rereading the hand, i kinda like a call on the turn now. since the board is dry the villain likely has a strong hand when he double barrells, all our outs are hidden so we're likely to get paid off.

none the less, i think the river is really thin, since both TT-JJ calls and KK-AA, but he probably folds alot of weaker hands because you should be checking behind alot on the river, unless you have a propensity to bet the river really thin.