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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
i hope the final river decision isn't the purpose of this thread. you should never ever be calling the 3-bet.
as to everything else... i'd be betting the flop, or definitely the turn. since we got to the river this way, i like the c/r, but calling is awful |
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
I'd bet flop and call river. I think he is bluffing lots here.
Edit: Obviously I mean call the first bet, and that the first bet is frequently a bluff. The 4-bet not so much [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. |
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
if villain is a really good thinking player...i would actually make a hero call on the river here.
if villain is a fish then meh...fold fast. i would check the turn too. |
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
fwiw i would be the flop almost 100% of the time as the initial raiser with a hand like 78 that has no showdown value.
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
The river raise is for value or bluff?
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
cbboy et al- why aren't we betting the flop here- do you really think his range hit this flop that hard?
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
this is a very confusing hand and when im confused and can beat AA i usually call. But unless this guy is crazy i think we have to fold here
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
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cbboy et al- why aren't we betting the flop here- do you really think his range hit this flop that hard? [/ QUOTE ] The reason I don't mind a flop check is because this is a good flop for him to either bluff raise you because of the likely hood that it missed your hand as well or he likely has a hand that is willing to peel a card with while you have garbage). I also c-bet less then most on these boards and this seems like a good time to mix your play and bet ANY turn card. The fact that we hit it should not make a difference since we are folding to any c/r there regardless of us hitting the turn. As played, I would not have raised the river bet. Fold to the shove. But if you had bet the turn, you would have gotten your desired 2 streets worth of value and not needed to force the action with this thin river raise. |
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
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The river raise is for value or bluff? [/ QUOTE ] eh? what better hand is he ever folding? Not raising for value on river is criminal imo. I fold to the push. With these stacks I also c-bet flop here a lot. |
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Re: 78s line deep: 600NL
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if villain is a really good thinking player...i would actually make a hero call on the river here. [/ QUOTE ] Even if the villain is a really good thinking player you probably would still blow off money calling the river 3bet. He isn't bluffing often enough and will often actually wake up with a flush even though he checked two streets. |
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