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Old 09-12-2007, 03:31 PM
PietM PietM is offline
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Default Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

I decided to give Limit Hold'em another try. Have to learn a lot.... Villain in this hand was standard TAG (15/12/2 over 145 hands). How's my line? After the turn I don't think I beat anything, but I think my FD could be good.

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Preflop: PietM is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PietM caps</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">PietM bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO folds, PietM calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
PietM checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, PietM calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
PietM checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, PietM folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

nh
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

this is fine.
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

I play it exactly the same way. Nice hand [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:49 PM
ReidDeCardes ReidDeCardes is offline
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

* Grunch *

I think the turn is fine. You have the 2nd nut flush draw, assuming he didn't get the AD. But you're getting 11.25:1 to call so I say call turn.

Even if he didn't have the flush there are 2 scarey cards on the table that beat your QQ. Fold is right.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:48 PM
Frank Zappy Frank Zappy is offline
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

PF: Cap is good.

Flop: Leading out is good, the raise is unpleasant, the call is fine

Turn: Check/Call with second nut flush is perfectly reasonable

River: 12.5-1 I'd call on the chance he's got JdJ or TdT. Probably spewing one whole bet, but first there some small chance we're good and I like to see what villain will showdown.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

This looks good to me. You aren't beating anything but a bluff.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:11 PM
Smurph64 Smurph64 is offline
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

Does this hand have 8% equity?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

37 games 0.015 secs 2,466 games/sec

Board: 5d 9d Kd Ac 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.216% 64.86% 01.35% 24 0.50 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 33.784% 32.43% 01.35% 12 0.50 { QdQh }


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Looks like it to me. Folding doesn't seem right here.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Point Blank Point Blank is offline
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

[ QUOTE ]
Does this hand have 8% equity?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

37 games 0.015 secs 2,466 games/sec

Board: 5d 9d Kd Ac 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.216% 64.86% 01.35% 24 0.50 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 33.784% 32.43% 01.35% 12 0.50 { QdQh }


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Looks like it to me. Folding doesn't seem right here.

[/ QUOTE ]

smurph ... range is way to loose IMO

AA, KK, AK, 99

you could include A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Qx ... i can't see a 3bet by villain with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Jx (only A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])

villain will have 150 hand of info on hero ... it's doubtfull that he'll raise that flop with much less after we cap oop
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:46 PM
Bigka79 Bigka79 is offline
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Default Re: Learning Limit: QQ flops FD, line ok?

i think that this hand is good. i think it should be played this way.

a lot of the time people have a hard time folding this river due to calling all the way down.

how would everone aproach it if the K on the flop is not a diamond
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