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Re: Bad Beat in Chess?
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Maybe Kramnik and the computer have an arrangement. [/ QUOTE ] Now that is funny. |
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Re: Bad Beat in Chess?
Some more quotes:
"After today’s blunder you immediately start wondering if this has happenend before, a world champion missing a mate in one, and I think the answer is no." "34…Qe3 was probably the worst move ever played by a world champion. " http://www.doggers-schaak.nl/lang_nlde-b...lunderslang_en/ |
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I'm not sure how much you researched the this match, but I was certain Kramnik had no chance of winning until I read about the actual rules of the match. There are several ridiculous rules which are all designed to give Kramnik a chance. For example, while Fritz is still in it's opening book, Kramnik sees all of the computers evalutions for it's moves and his possible counter moves. That is just one example. [/ QUOTE ] Good catch. When I first saw the line at Pinnacle (Kramnik +.5 +225 or so), I thought that Kramnik had to be value there. When I spent an hour or so reading about it and finding out that chess people seemed to think that the line was pretty good, I realized I had no clue/angle on the match and that my judgment couldn't be trusted on this so I passed and forgot about it. The rules might've swung me back but I try to listen when my inner voice tells me not to bet. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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Having only an elementary knowledge of the game, it took me a few minutes to figure out the board posted in the link above.
I came up with this, to help newbs like me: |
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Some more quotes: "After today’s blunder you immediately start wondering if this has happenend before, a world champion missing a mate in one, and I think the answer is no." "34…Qe3 was probably the worst move ever played by a world champion. " http://www.doggers-schaak.nl/lang_nlde-b...lunderslang_en/ [/ QUOTE ] Reshevsky famously missed a mate in one as have several other top GMs. Stein, I believe, Geller I think is another. Several GMs have 'walked' into mate in 1 or 2. Naj |
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Re: Bad Beat in Chess?
IM Shirazi lost this way at the US Chmp
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 d5 exd5 qxd5 axb4 qe5+ white resigns. Karpov had to resign on move 12 after a blunder you wouldn't make v Christiansen at Wik aan Zee 1993. Spassky resigned on move 9 at munich 1979 Kevitz beat the mighty Capa [as white!] in 13 moves. Chigorin resigned on move 8 v Marshall. Zapata v Anand lasted a whole 6 moves. Anand lost. Petrosian lost after 15 moves as WChmp. Fine resinged on move 7. Sokolov blew it by move 15 v Nunn, worse, in the same manner as had happened 3 times before. Bronstein committed the Blunder of the Century v Botvinnik with 57 Kc2?? in Moscow 1951 *after* spotting the right move. Then he had a horrid position v Petrosian in 1956 and after Nf5, Tigran hung his Queen on the spot. Ivkov, after beating Fischer and Smyslov in 1965 allowed a mate in 1 after 36...d3??? at the Capa Memorial. Korchnoi played 2 of the worst moves ever v Spassky in Game 13, 1977 to hang his Queen. Gligoric v Book, Gligo missed a mate in one. Short allowed a mate in one v Beliavsky in 1992. Smyslov missed a mate in 1 v Florian. Bronstein again v Gligoric in Moscow 1967. How about Timman v Yusupov 1992 Candidates Match ...Qe4?? and resigns before Qxf8 mate. And of course Marco resigned v von Popeil instead of playing the winning ...Bg1. Even More Complete Chess Addict -Fox and James. |
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Re: Bad Beat in Chess?
Actually, if you follow the link to that blog, it talks about Reshevsky's 1953 blunder and is a mate in two. In 1973 it says he missed a mate in 3.
The guy is only saying that no world champion has ever missed a mate in one, and that appears to be true. In the abscence of time trouble it seems this type of blunder almost never happens to a top GM. |
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This game is evidence that the match is NOT rigged. Kramnik could easily make a subtle blunder that the computer would be guaranteed to pick up on and that no one below IM level would even understand was a blunder. [/ QUOTE ] then it follows that if they did want to fix the match they would do it in this obvious way because nobody would suspect them to be so dumb as to fix it by walking into mate in 1. |
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[ QUOTE ] Was this some kind of fixed match? [/ QUOTE ] Fischer always said the Russians cheated, fixed matches, etc. Fischer claimed that Karpov and Kasparov fixed matches. Maybe Kramnik and the computer have an arrangement. [/ QUOTE ] Fischer is also a schizophrenic lunatic. |
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Having only an elementary knowledge of the game, it took me a few minutes to figure out the board posted in the link above. I came up with this, to help newbs like me: [/ QUOTE ] Ok, my knowledge of chess if VERY basic, but all black had to do here is go all the way to the bottom row, 2nd spot from right, next to the king for checkmate? HTF could the world champ miss that? |
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