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#1
06-11-2007, 06:24 PM
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How should the Poker Room have handled this:
A friend of mine was at the local casino lately and this happened to him:
2/5 NL game, friend has about 500 villian has about 400. Preflop, he's dealt AdAh, middle position. He raises to 25. Villian, a few seats behind, insta calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes 6 7 8, all diamonds. Friend bets 60, villian insta calls again. Turn is a Q, don't know suit, not a diamond. Friend bets 150, villain again insta calls. River is a blank, don't know exact card. Friend pushes. Here's where it gets crazy: Villian thinks and thinks, then says the exact words "I have to call" and flips over his hand. He has JJ for an one pair and is beat. My friend says he has aces and flips them over. Villian then says FOLD and the dealer proceeds to ship the pot to my friend. However, the villian had never put the last call over the line and the dealer refuses to take the chips from the man because he never put his money past the 'bet' line. My friend says he verbally called and that he owes the pot the final bet on the river. Dealer disagrees so my friend calls the floor over. Floor Manager says that the dealer is right and they do NOT make the guy call the final bet. I can't imagine this is the correct call, everyone at the table said the guy said call and the dealer and the floor don't make him abide by it. Am I wrong in thinking he should have been forced to put his money into the pot? An interesting question also is what happens if my friend was beat and mucks his hand. If that had happened they would have gladly pushed the pot to the other dude and not worried about whether he had actually called 'correctly' or not. Just seems outrageous to me. This is at the Riverside Casino, just south of Iowa City, IA btw. 
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#4
06-11-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
That seems just silly man. So he says "I have to call", flips his cards up and is beat but doesn't give the rest of his chips?
So verbal isn't binding there or what? BTW, my buddy plays there some. Good action I've heard.
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#5
06-11-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
Bad decision by the floor; however, this is a good example of why you should always make sure the pot is correct before showing your hand. Angle shots like this are, unfortunately, not uncommon.
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#6
06-11-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
I wait until the chips are in the pot before I turn over my hand.
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#7
06-11-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
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That seems just silly man. So he says "I have to call", flips his cards up and is beat but doesn't give the rest of his chips? So verbal isn't binding there or what? BTW, my buddy plays there some. Good action I've heard. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, it's usually a decent place to play at, and its one of the few places to play at as all the casinos around here are like at least an hour or two away, so having it 15 minutes away is convenient. First time anything shady like this has happened there as far as I've heard, still pretty rediculous.
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#8
06-11-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
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I wait until the chips are in the pot before I turn over my hand. [/ QUOTE ] There are plenty of places that don't require the chips to be pushed in for it to be binding action. Didn't we just have a big thread about this issue?
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#9
06-11-2007, 08:14 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
Yeah, I recall a thread about almost the exact thing.
PROTECT YOUR HAND. He didn't say, "I call," he said, "I have to call." But he hasn't yet done it. I see this sort of interaction daily, where someone will show a good hand to someone about to make a call in similar situations, and the person showing the hand is deliberately doing it to save the person a bet. Granted, this is low stakes limit play, but there's a precedent. Do not trust people in card rooms. Make sure the pot is correct before you show a winning hand. If you were playing online and someone in the chat box said "I have to call" and you said "I have aces" and the person folded, would you think you had much of a case? Wait until the call button is pushed before revealing your hand.
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#10
06-11-2007, 08:17 PM
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Re: How should the Poker Room have handled this:
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[ QUOTE ] I wait until the chips are in the pot before I turn over my hand. [/ QUOTE ] There are plenty of places that don't require the chips to be pushed in for it to be binding action. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently not at the Riverside Casino, just south of Iowa City, IA Guess OP can make a copy of the other thread and show it to the management of the casino. That, and $2.25, should get him a frappachino.
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