PLO: Raising in early position pre-flop?

[Insistent_]

In Super System the advice is not to raise in early position in Omaha because of the disadvantage this means and the fact that we need to see the flop before the hand can be judged and that we can't take freecards.

But I guess this advice is for 10 max.
What about 6 max?

Of course it depends a alot but let's say
I'm just limping if playing UTG or UTG+1 and otherwise
raising if first in. Would this be an OKAY strategy?

[TheRempel]

Some of the largest pots I win come from raising 'creative' hands in EP preflop. I do of course raise far more often in LP than EP.

[Flipper IRL]

Likewise. I find that unless you're playing with the same small group of players all the time, unknowns will invariably put you on high cards/big pairs from EP. If you're doing it with rundown hands (4567 or 5689 etc) and you flop gin, you will get paid off by two pair a lot of the time purely as the villian is trying to crack what he perceives as AAxx.

[CrushinFelt]

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Some of the largest pots I win come from raising 'creative' hands in EP preflop. I do of course raise far more often in LP than EP.

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Same.

Also, in 6-max, the more raising you do, the more people want to play back at you with Aces. There's only been a few occasions where I am getting three-bet by a player with something other than AA ( @ .5/1). Also, when I do get three-bet, any rag flop I can usually take down, though a fairly large portion of the time it takes two barrels (occaisionally three). Most people just can't call the second pot bet with just aces.

[TrainHardDieHard]

I think the advice is supersystem is pretty solid. Raising in EP does have the significant disadvantages. There are times where I make a re-raise in EP with AAxx if i can get it all in preflop. Also, there are times you can get creative and be deceptive when you raise in EP. However, make sure these times are few and far inbetween so that they don't lose their effect.

[Elrazor]

i posed this Q about raising with ordinary AAxx hands a while back and the other posters have hit the nail on the head - its better to raise with good rundowns than AAxx in early position, as its difficult to defend in early pos if the board comes something like A 10 9 and a couple players call you down

[Ribbo]

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i posed this Q about raising with ordinary AAxx hands a while back and the other posters have hit the nail on the head - its better to raise with good rundowns than AAxx in early position, as its difficult to defend in early pos if the board comes something like A 10 9 and a couple players call you down

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It's hard to play ANY hand out of position.

It doesn't matter all whether you have flopped top set or a big draw. Both hands are easy to play on the button and tough to play under the gun.

[Troll_Inc]

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It's hard to play ANY hand out of position.

It doesn't matter all whether you have flopped top set or a big draw. Both hands are easy to play on the button and tough to play under the gun.

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Tough and also you will make less money out of position against good opponents.

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The time to play stuff OOP are against opponents alluded to in TheRempel's post. Namely, you want to be able to get some suckers with position on you that are willing to pay you a lot of money when they can't figure out (or don't care) that you have them very beat while they are willing to pour money into the pot (and take away their positional advantage). What you'd like are set over set, set over TTP, or bigger straight or flush over smaller.

[autobet]

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Likewise. I find that unless you're playing with the same small group of players all the time, unknowns will invariably put you on high cards/big pairs from EP. If you're doing it with rundown hands (4567 or 5689 etc) and you flop gin, you will get paid off by two pair a lot of the time purely as the villian is trying to crack what he perceives as AAxx.

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There is nothing more fun than raising in EP w 8765 and taking it down on an A92 flop.

If you limp and hit the flop you will usually not be paid off by players with marginal hands like bottom two pair you would have stacked if you had raised preflop.

If you are playing regularly with decent players you need to include these types of hands in your range or not raise in EP at all.