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#41
05-31-2007, 12:27 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
I don't even understand what you're asking. Putting two red chips out here is the same as throwing two black chips out, it's a perfectly legal raise. The first player raised from $2 to $6, a $4 raise. The second player throws out $10, another $4 raise. It's a raise.
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#42
05-31-2007, 12:49 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
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It's a minraise. Everyone that says it is a call is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] If you wanted to call with red chips how many would you put out? This is why it is a call. If it is the number of chips you would put out to call it is a call if you do not declare it as a raise.
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#43
05-31-2007, 12:50 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
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[ QUOTE ] Nope... again the dealer should not have to guess what the players intentions are, no matter what kind of color is in a players stack. [/ QUOTE ] So if I put out two chips and those two chips add up to a raise, then it's not a raise because it looks like a call? [/ QUOTE ] That is exactly right, if it looks like a call it is a call.
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#44
05-31-2007, 01:01 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
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[ QUOTE ] Nope... again the dealer should not have to guess what the players intentions are, no matter what kind of color is in a players stack. [/ QUOTE ] So if I put out two chips and those two chips add up to a raise, then it's not a raise because it looks like a call? [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely correct. I am very surprised how many people think it is the other way around. I have been in the casino industry for a while and have even seen a lot of rulebooks. I even think if you take a poll of most players in a LIVE cardroom you will get the same answer that we are saying that two red chips acting on a six dollar bet is a call. I am thinking really being around B/M casinos for a long time that this is probably the most universal rule around. Now I have a challenge for you... Find me some card rooms that Rule that a raise... I will call them on the phone and ask them if it is a raise. I bet you are hard pressed to find too many rooms that Rule those two chips a raise.. and if you do.. let me know.
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#45
05-31-2007, 01:08 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
i think it should be a raise. i think the oversize chip rule should only apply to one chip.
for the guy talking about the "last significant chip rule": say a guy throws out 5 $1 chips, and then realizes he's out of white, so he tosses in a redbird. you'd say this is a call. but, if he puts them all out at the same time, i don't think anyone could argue this isn't a raise. more than one chip should be a raise imo unless the person states otherwise.
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#46
05-31-2007, 01:14 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
Obviously a call. The easiest way for me to see it is that if you don't have any $1 chips, then there's no way for you to make a call without verbally declaring a call. That's contrary to every other rule regarding silent calling/betting, where in case of doubt it's the raise that has to be verbally declared, not a call.
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#47
05-31-2007, 01:17 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
One way to avoid this issue ahead of time, if you're religiously silent, is to make a "string call". Toss one redbird, then toss another. It can't be interpreted as a raise even if you want it to be so.
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#48
05-31-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
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Sigh...just say what you are going to do. Look at the dealer and say two words...either "I call" or "I raise". It's not *that* hard [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] What if you are mute and can't speak? If someone throws out 10.00 in two red chips or 50.00 in two green chips and the bet before it is $5.00 it should be counted as a raise. What are all poker players fvckking retarded or something? You need everything spelled out for you? Anyone with half a brain would realize that person is raising.
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#49
05-31-2007, 02:02 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
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i think it should be a raise. i think the oversize chip rule should only apply to one chip. for the guy talking about the "last significant chip rule": say a guy throws out 5 $1 chips, and then realizes he's out of white, so he tosses in a redbird. you'd say this is a call. but, if he puts them all out at the same time, i don't think anyone could argue this isn't a raise. more than one chip should be a raise imo unless the person states otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] It's a call. It really is, everywhere. Honestly, I can't believe there's so much confusion and disagreement here! It's basically the rule that we all learned as kids for buying things with cash - toss enough coins in there to cover the price, then stop. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply hasn't spent much time in B&M poker rooms. This situation comes up all day long, on every table every day. I suppose many of you folks are online players primarily. It sounds complicated when it's written down, but it's obvious in real life. Again, it's the grammar school rule - the way we all learned to pay for our candy.
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#50
05-31-2007, 02:04 AM
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Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"
Is there some other rule that goes on in Vegas that I'm not aware of? Because in every poker room I've been to in AC (all the big ones) this is clearly a call. Every time. Is someone here expiriencing something different? I just got back from a weekend of $1/2 and one of the tables was low on whites (Dealer said they had a bad floor that night). So this senario happened for hours, and was always a call unless announced otherwise.
I don't see what the argument is, are we trying to get this rule changed to reflect a raise? This seams silly.
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