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#81
10-09-2007, 06:23 PM
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Re: ***yankees official offseason thread*****
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Kennedy doesn't have a plus pitch. His best offering is a changeup that would grade as a 55 on the 20-80 scouting scale, and his 89-91 mph fastball, his curveball and slider are all average [/ QUOTE ] For those who don't know, guys who are called 55's are projected to be big league regulars. That being said, two average pitches + one 55 pitch is nothing to laugh about - that's a solid #3 on any team and a #2 on a few. 
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10-09-2007, 06:30 PM
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Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like:
Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable.
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#84
10-09-2007, 06:53 PM
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Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like: Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable. [/ QUOTE ] what would Mo's cutter(in his prime i.e 95MPH) get?
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#85
10-09-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: ***yankees official offseason thread*****
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Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like: Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable. [/ QUOTE ] Just curious, is Joba's slider an 80?
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#86
10-09-2007, 07:13 PM
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hughes floor is as a number 2? yea cant miss prospects never miss and there arent a ton of guys who go from a great prospect to nothing [/ QUOTE ] Calling Hughes a prospect is a very loose definition of the term. Cameron Maybin is a prospect. Daric Barton is a prospect. Ian Kennedy is a prospect. Hughes is not one of those.
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#87
10-09-2007, 07:14 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like: Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable. [/ QUOTE ] what would Mo's cutter(in his prime i.e 95MPH) get? [/ QUOTE ] Probably 75.
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#88
10-09-2007, 07:15 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like: Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable. [/ QUOTE ] Just curious, is Joba's slider an 80? [/ QUOTE ] I haven't done much prospect research on Joba, but I don't think any of his pitches grade out at 75 or higher. He's special because he has four plus or better pitches. EDIT: Also, fwiw, slider's don't often get graded 75+ unless they have ridiculous tilt and fade. Dominant curveballs are much tougher to find than dominant sliders, making it "easier" to get a high-grade curve. The reason for this is because everyone has switched over to sliders (and other fastball variants - splitters, cutters) with the shrinking strike zone making it difficult for true curveballs to get called third strikes. With the high strike being taken away by most umpires, the curve is much less effective in today's game.
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#89
10-09-2007, 07:15 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like: Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable. [/ QUOTE ] Just curious, is Joba's slider an 80? [/ QUOTE ] i think moreso liriano's or randy johnson's might be labeled such
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#90
10-09-2007, 07:17 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like: Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70 Curve - 75 Change - 60 (but improving) That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider. To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable. [/ QUOTE ] Just curious, is Joba's slider an 80? [/ QUOTE ] i think moreso liriano's or randy johnson's might be labeled such [/ QUOTE ] Oh, RJ's prime slider is definitely an 80.
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