Bluffed off best hand?

Poker monkey · #1 07-11-2007, 11:50 PM

Looking back at this I think I was bluffed - what do you think? The 2 on the river doesn't change much except he could now make a straight with A3. If he had a straight on the turn he should surely bet it with the flush draw out. Should I have just bet the turn?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $35.30
Button: $41.25
SB: $12.45
BB: $24.30

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $0.85, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.05, Button calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.15, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.15, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.05, Button raises to $15.3, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $12.25 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $12.25

Ribbo · #2 07-11-2007, 11:55 PM

There is an argument for saying you bet weak so he raised. But at this limit, people aren't usually that smart as they expect you to call.
Don't make a blocking bet on the river, then he might not try to bluff you. But it's a safe fold.

Poker monkey · #3 07-12-2007, 12:09 AM

I was betting more as a value-bet than as a blocker, hoping he'd call with 2 pair or a lower set.

Do you bet the turn?

Ribbo · #4 07-12-2007, 12:18 AM

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I was betting more as a value-bet than as a blocker, hoping he'd call with 2 pair or a lower set.

Do you bet the turn?

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Yes I do bet the turn, I expect more people on the flop to be calling with a flush draw than the straight draw. So I would still expect to be ahead more often than not.

TrainHardDieHard · #5 07-12-2007, 12:21 AM

I lead this turn and i dont think you were bluffed. Any combination of a 3 + 2,4,5,6 gives him a straight.

I disagree with ribbo about the blocking bet. A second check after a pot-size flop bet looks extremely weak here, more so than a blocking bet on the river. A bet on this river can look like third best straight ect.

You weren't bluffed.

cmyr · #6 07-12-2007, 01:18 AM

yeah this isn't a bluff that often at these levels, although the check behind on the turn if it did make his hand is a weird play and deserves a note. I think more likely is he had a 3 with his nut flush draw and spiked the wheel, which would also deserve a note since you should then be weak-leading nut straights in these sorts of spots.

grizy · #7 07-12-2007, 07:56 AM

I got the itch to reraise.

jbird · #8 07-12-2007, 08:20 AM

Yeah I think this is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] way more than a bluff, I wouldn't lose too much sleep.

One thing that has helped me a lot recently in spots like this is PAHUD. Somebody who c/r's a particular street a ton (20%+) has found out ppl fold a lot and is abusing it and gets looked up lightly. You'd be surprised how many times the stat reads "1/276" or something which makes folding REALLY easy.

morphball · #9 07-12-2007, 01:43 PM

At this level, this can easily be a slow played 78 as well as a wheel, especially if he as a heart draw to boot... don't sweat this fold at all. (If he shows you a bluff, keep it in mind for the future because 9 out of 10 river bluffers can't help themselves)

Also, try and keep track of how many tables your opponents are on, because if there are on 4-6 (or more), they often miss [censored] and then wake up very suddenly.

Poker monkey · #10 07-12-2007, 02:48 PM

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Also, try and keep track of how many tables your opponents are on, because if there are on 4-6 (or more), they often miss [censored] and then wake up very suddenly.

[/ QUOTE ]I found out about this last night when I was 4-tabling for the first time. My check-raise % went wayyyy up, although not on purpose. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

This hand is a pretty clear fold as many have pointed out. I need to improve my hand reading skills as I didn't realise until someone pointed it out that a random 3 with any of A,2,4,5,6,7 will give him a straight.